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Rashkh
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Feb 27, 2018
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About two years ago, I was pretty confident in recommending Massdrop to people new to the audiophile hobby. The vast majority of the drops were either great products or decent/good products at a great price.
Those days are long gone and it's largely due to drops like this. I won't even mention Massdrop to newcomers because I don't want people think I'm an idiot who supports buying $300 cables for $200 headphones.
Drops like this are going to destroy your reputation in the long term.
Feb 27, 2018
LucQc
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Feb 27, 2018
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Rashkh« I won't even mention Massdrop to newcomers because I don't want people think I'm an idiot who supports buying $300 cables for $200 headphones. »
May you tell me where I can buy HD 800 or Audeze EL-8 or AKG K812 for $ 200? You'd surely make my day if you do so! 8;-)
Feb 27, 2018
audible
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Feb 27, 2018
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Rashkh"Those days are long gone and it's largely due to drops like this. " Dramatic much? sheesh...
"Drops like this are going to destroy your reputation in the long term." Drops like this attract people who want to pay less for pricy cables. PERIOD.
Feb 27, 2018
LucQc
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Feb 27, 2018
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LucQc@ Rashkh Ok I promise I'll throw my money in the garbage bin by buying this pricey cable as a way to say thank you for the information. 8;-)
Is there any discussion more entertaining than headphones' or headphone gear's ones?
Feb 27, 2018
Rashkh
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Feb 28, 2018
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LucQcI'd be happy to sell you some AKG K81's for $200. :D
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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Feb 28, 2018
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Rashkh812 Pro for $200? 8:-P
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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Feb 28, 2018
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LucQc"May you tell me where I can buy HD 800 or Audeze EL-8 or AKG K81 for $ 200? You'd surely make my day if you do so! 8;-)" - LucQc
Like I said, I'd be happy to make your day and sell you the K81 for $200.
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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Rashkh812 Pro? It's funny you did not chose to make the same offer for the Audeze EL-8. We both know what I meant right? 8;-)
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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LucQcYes, I'm well aware one of those is not like the others.
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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Feb 28, 2018
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RashkhSo you are well aware that pretending « I'm an idiot who supports buying $300 cables for $200 headphones » is not the same than « supporting to buy $300 for Audeze EL-8 »?
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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Feb 28, 2018
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LucQcThe main photo is a pair of HD6XX connected to the cable. I'm pretty sure it was very obvious which headphones I was referring to as well. The difference is I was making a joke about your typo whereas you seem to be being intentionally dense about my statement.
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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Feb 28, 2018
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RashkhI am intentionally dense with those stretching things a bit too much. While you think folks are so dumb that they will be mislead by a poorly chosen picture, I see buyers who are well aware this might not be a smart choice to spend $270 cable for headphones you bought for less than $225. Is not it a bit condescending to assume those who joined bought it for HD 6XX? Or was it a joke not funny?
Have you not been resorting to that logical fallacy I might have agreed with you. Though I must add that I'm also agreeing with Audible regarding attraction property of this discussion.
By the way, if you're so dense about Massdrop putting the wrong picture in Description you might think of quiting buying on Massdrop.
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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LucQcMy original point was that I'm no longer able to recommend Massdrop to people new to the audiophile community. It's something I'm no longer able to do because a lot of the drops are a huge investment for no benefit to sound quality although there are other products on here these days that just aren't very good yet Massdrop will happily sell. Since I was talking about my inability to refer people who are new to the hobby, it would seem a bit silly to think they have HD800s or that I'm referring to people who can tell what is and isn't snake oil.
As for the people who know what they're talking about, it's their money to spend and I couldn't care less what they do with it. If you want to drop $270 because the cable is blue then by all means go for it.
This is still going to hurt Massdrop's reputation in the long run. They could have listed this as an expensive cable that looks nice and been honest. Instead they write that it will "eliminate triboelectric noise within the cable" and other such nonsense. It tells me that they have no problem lying to the community and makes me much more skeptical when buying a newly launched product because I can't trust the description.
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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audibleI completely missed your comment.
"Those days are long gone and it's largely due to drops like this. " I said that in the context of recommending this site to friends and people new to the community, basically people who don't know much about the hobby. I was previously able to recommend it because the vast majority of the drops here were great. Drops like this, which offer essentially zero benefits in terms of sound for a very high cost, are why I can't recommend this site any more, although there are a lot of questionable products on here these days.
" Drops like this attract people who want to pay less for pricy cables. PERIOD." I couldn't care less what you spend your money on and if you feel these are worth the price then go for it. What's going to hurt their reputation is not selling expensive cables but saying crap like " eliminate triboelectric noise within the cable" that will screw them over in the long run. Just come out and say that these are pretty cables that cost a lot. When they start throwing in the snake oil, it's telling me that I can't trust their description, a real problem since they're starting to sell products that can't be bought elsewhere.
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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Rashkh« Instead they write that it will "eliminate triboelectric noise within the cable" and other such nonsense. »
Well they chose to sell Nordost cables. Nordost is selling those with this description:
« BLUE HEAVEN HEADPHONE CABLE The Blue Heaven Headphone Cable offers a unique combination of technological innovation, pliability and strength to make the best interface for mid to high level headphones. Nordost uses 34 AWG 7/42 conductors, which are twisted into a Litz construction, increasing flexibility, eliminating triboelectric noise within the cable and improving upon its mechanical damping. Our proprietary Micro Mono-Filament technology is then applied, which involves individually wrapping each conductor with a strand of FEP before being encased in extruded FEP insulation, drastically improving the cable’s dielectric. In order to accommodate the added demands on our headphone cables, Nordost has included an Aramid fiber strength member to the construction of this cable. Aramid fibers serve a dual purpose. Not only do they ensure the mechanical integrity of the cable, transferring the strain away from the conductors, but the resonating properties of Aramid fibers also enhance sound quality.The Blue Heaven Headphone Cable is terminated with a 3.5mm stereo mini plug and is provided with a threaded 3.5mm to 6.3mm(1/4in) stereo phono adapter that easily and securely screws onto the original termination. The Blue Heaven Headphone Cable is compatible with many popular headphones on the market, and is available in 1.25m and 2m lengths. »
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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RashkhAt least now, you're stating it more properly IMHO.
Feb 28, 2018
Rashkh
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LucQcRight, and I'm calling them out for going along with it and possibly screwing over newer members instead of calling it what it is.
Feb 28, 2018
LucQc
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RashkhIf we're willing to be fair with Massdrop the beginning of their description is:
« High-End Headphone Cables For your high-end headphones, you’ll want cables of the highest caliber—and that’s exactly what Nordost strives to provide. »
Today, a coworker who knows nothing about High End Audio told me he bought a Sonos PLAY:3. When I asked him how he made his choice, and where he bought it, he told me he first made searches on the internet. After reading enough information, looking for alternatives products. he made his decision. Then he went to a local store selling high end audio. Asked for more advice, and chose to buy it at that store for the good quality of customer service. My coworker is a newbie in the audio field. In 2018 this is how a newbie is making his homework before buying.
Feb 28, 2018
audible
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Mar 2, 2018
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Rashkh"I couldn't care less what you spend your money on and if you feel these are worth the price then go for it." Piss off, you condescending dipshit. No I dont spend the money on these, mainly because it's too easy to make them and easy enough to get fancy wire. I've made enough out of enough different materials - high to low end - to know that different cables work differently with different gear...independent of cost. Period. I dont claim to know how. I dont waste my time fretting the nonsense the companies want to spray to sell something. Get the fuck over it. If you haven't noticed, this is still a partly community driven site. People are polling all kinds of high end, overpriced stuff that they want for less. 'hurt their reputation', 'snake oil', 'can't recommend blah blah' your 'friends' are tired of listening to your bloviating anyway. Your complaints are idiotic and misguided by your own ignorant prejudice. Yeah, I'm rude, but you're an imbecile. It is pretty funny that you fancy yourself a champion of all these 'poor hapless misguided consumers' who might get fooled into paying a couple hundred dollars less than they might have for an overpriced cable. Very inspiring.
Mar 2, 2018
LucQc
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audible« It is pretty funny that you fancy yourself a champion of all these 'poor hapless misguided consumers' who might get fooled[...] »
Firstly, you now know why I asked my coworker how he made his choice.
Secondly, you now know if I think my coworker was not helpless! 8;-)
Mar 2, 2018
LucQc
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Mar 2, 2018
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audible« I've made enough out of enough different materials - high to low end - to know that different cables work differently with different gear...independent of cost. »
Are you sharing on this subject in a blog or a forum thread?
Mar 2, 2018
Rashkh
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Mar 2, 2018
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audible "I've made enough out of enough different materials - high to low end - to know that different cables work differently with different gear...independent of cost. Period. I dont claim to know how."
Yeah, it's called confirmation bias.
Mar 2, 2018
Motorrad
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Mar 2, 2018
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RashkhThat's actually the OPPOSITE of confirmation bias, You are giving a good example of ignorance. He said he made a bunch of cables from different wire and they sou d different. My experience concurs. Your experience is what? Reading confirmatory comment and trolling? Yeah ... I'll really consider your opinion. Phht.
Mar 2, 2018
Rashkh
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Mar 2, 2018
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MotorradIt would be the opposite of confirmation bias if they stated that one sounded better or worse regardless of price. They made a cable with different materials and the cable sounded different for an unexplained reason? That's pretty much the definition of confirmation bias.
Mar 2, 2018
Motorrad
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Mar 2, 2018
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RashkhHahaha. That is absolutely not the definition of confirmation bias. Look, I get that you want to perceived as an educated sceptic and 'confirmation bias' is one of the terms that sceptics and naysayers love to throw around because they think it makes them look smart...but when you use it incorrectly it sure does make you look dumb....which actually confirms my bias about you. "It would be the opposite of confirmation bias if they stated that one sounded better or worse regardless of price." He said "independent of cost" which means the same thing last I checked.
Mar 2, 2018
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