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RayF
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Apr 23, 2018
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Pretty sure I paid a lot less for my somewhat-similar ESQ.
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As a matter of fact, I know I paid much less--I bought it several years back (long before I became fabulously wealthy ;- )
Apr 23, 2018
K-Man
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFFair enough but the difference is that your watch has a Quartz movement as opposed to the Automatic in this Oris. You're always gonna pay a lot more for mechanical movements. Plus Oris is a very respected Swiss watch company.
Apr 23, 2018
EwenFR
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFThere's nothing like first-hand experience. You should join and make a comparison between your quartz ESQ and the automatic Oris. It's not cheap, you're obviously paying for the brand and at least a "60% swiss made" ( 50% if NOS ), but if you don't like it, you'll be able to sell your Oris easily considering the drop price ( and the brand ).
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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K-ManYou miss my point: I’m not comparing movements here, nor am I into movement oriented pecker/price contests—just pointing out that if anyone is interested in a rectangular-case watch, there are alternatives, and arguably better looking ones, for less money. I have several automatics and frankly don’t find them any more interesting or desirable than my quartz watches—which always keep better time. Oris is a mid-grade brand at best, no better or worse than Movado (which owns/makes ESQ, by the way). If someone finds this watch interesting, and has $480 to burn, then step right up! Otherwise, there are plenty of alternatives—cheaper, but just as good looking—and guaranteed to keep time just as well.
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Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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EwenFRThanks but no thanks—not that impressed with this particular watch, and not sure what sort of comparison I would make to my quartz ESQ—other than how well they keep time.
My fascination with gears, springs, and counter balances—and who makes them, has given way to a preference for utility and practicality—I even bought an Apple watch recently!
Apr 23, 2018
Whaiyun
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFShitposting about a reputable Swiss watch with an ETA movement for $479. Now I've seen everything.
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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Apr 23, 2018
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WhaiyunYou must have lead a very sheltered life—probably still do?
Apr 23, 2018
Whaiyun
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFI just call it as I see it. How about I say that Seiko cartier-tank homage for $89 on Amazon is an even better deal? C'mon, you should know better. Can't compare a plain quartz movement to an ETA movement.
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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WhaiyunUntrue—I just did.
You sound as though you feel I’m missing something—perhaps you’d care to explain why you feel one is super to the other?
Apr 23, 2018
Whaiyun
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFI never said one is better than the other. However, I DID imply that one is cheaper to manufacture than the other. It's obvious why all the cheap watches are quartz movements and not swiss made automatics.4
PS. last post bantering with you. have a nice monday
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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Apr 23, 2018
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WhaiyunETA movements are mass-produced (just like Seiko’s) whether mechanical or quartz. If you believe more expensive = “more better”, than I suspect you lubricate your watches with Snake Oil, and have a preference for Swiss Kool-Aid? Don’t worry, many folks with similar symptoms outgrow them in time. PS: a gentleman always keeps his word. ;- )
Apr 23, 2018
BruceRe
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Apr 23, 2018
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RayFI'm sure that ESQ costs a lot less. It should. But I fail to see the point of the comparison. Is it because they're both rectangular? The Oris will easily hold its value because Oris has a great history and reputation. ESQ has neither. They make cheap quartz watches. But there's nothing wrong with fashion watches like ESQ, especially when you get them on the Clearance rack at Marshall's.
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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Apr 23, 2018
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BruceReYou sound like the sort of fellow who would judge a man by the price of his timepiec, rather than how well it keeps time!
PS: Wipe that Swiss colored Kool-Aid from your chin ;- )
Apr 23, 2018
BruceRe
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RayFDo you pay a premium for Swiss watches? Probably. Would I buy a watch not made in Switzerland? Of course. I have and I will (the Seiko Presage Cocktail Time was a good drop). Your ESQ was probably made in China (but with a Swiss quartz movement) so you probably saved a ton of money. Congrats to you!
Apr 23, 2018
RayF
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Apr 23, 2018
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BruceReIt’s a little late in the century to suggest that China somehow lags behind any othe country in manufacturing capability. Ever buy a Swiss phone or computer? How about a Swiss car?
The idea that Swiss watches are “better“ is nothing more than clever marketing (brought to you by same people who gave you Swiss chocolate, or for that matter, Italian shoes, and French Perfume—but not French bread).
Your money is your own, spend it as you will.
PS: Ever notice how all the best Swiss Reps come from China ;- )
Apr 23, 2018
Gregnorman
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Apr 24, 2018
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RayFNegative sir. If you know anything about watch making you‘d Know that Swiss movements generally are FAR superior in terms of quality and accuracy. The exception being high end Japanese movements in grand seiko etc. sooooo. Yeeahhh. No good ray.
Apr 24, 2018
RayF
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GregnormanI know about Kool-Aid (wipe your chin).
Apr 24, 2018
Gregnorman
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Apr 24, 2018
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RayFMaybe stick to collecting matchbox and don’t talk about things you have no knowledge about. Just makes you look like an idiot, but hey, you probably are.
Apr 24, 2018
RayF
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Apr 24, 2018
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GregnormanMatchboxes? I have no experience with Matchboxes—I thought we were discussing Marketing hype and those who’ve been seduced by it, no?
Apr 24, 2018
MadAnthonyWayne
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Apr 24, 2018
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RayFNo comparison between the two. Mineral glass crystal, not sapphire, and a quartz movement that cost ESQ less than $10. You overpaid for what you got if you paid more than $70 for it. If it quits working and you take to a watchmaker who determines it's not just a battery replacement, he'll tell you to pitch into the nearest landfill and buy a new one.
Apr 24, 2018
RayF
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Apr 24, 2018
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MadAnthonyWayneMy, my—you watch-winders are a pedantic bunch aren’t you? Difficult as it must be, one day you’re going to have to face the facts—none of those Swiss watches tell time any better than the cheapest Timex, or Citizen. That laundry list of parts you mentioned above are fetishes, not features. If you applied that frame of mind to cars, you’d all be running around in 1919 Bentleys! You want to tell time, or polish your hood ornaments?
Apr 24, 2018
CJR-24
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Apr 28, 2018
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RayFWatch collectors like watches that are made differently and better than a Timex. Don't want to spend the money, wear a Timex. Save your judgment for something you understand.
Apr 28, 2018
RayF
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Apr 28, 2018
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CJR-24Ha—save YOUR judgement, you watch-elitist! There is no finer watch than the humble Timex (with the possible exception of the Apple Watch)!
And no watch is more sophisticated than the iPhone which has nearly made the common watch, redundant. Your mechanical days are numbered —that ticking sound you hear is not your Rolex!
Apr 28, 2018
CJR-24
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Apr 28, 2018
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RayFYawn. Go troll somewhere else.
Apr 28, 2018
RayF
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Apr 28, 2018
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CJR-24Oh—there you go—judging people again! Tic, tic...
Apr 28, 2018
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