Panzera Breuer Automatic Watch Discussions | Drop

Apr 5, 2016

The description this time says that the 44 is a Miyota movement and not Chinese (like last time, as I recall). But still wondering... does the white 44 have any lume?

GideonH

Brand Avenue

Apr 5, 2016

FearlessleaderYes the white versions also have lume. Hour and minutes hands as well as the index markers at 12,3,6 and 9 o’clock positions are luminous

Apr 6, 2016

FearlessleaderHi Fearlessleader, anyone can buy a stock standard Miyota movement. The issue here is who buys it, and who assembles it. Take the brand 'Laco' for example- specifically their 'Laco 21' movement. It is a Miyota movement that is adjusted and calibrated to their exacting specifications. The cases are manufactured and assembly happens in Pforzheim, Germany which has a long history in making watches.
The Panzera watches are assembled in China in a factory that is OK to use low quality techniques to create the watch. This includes but is not limited to the plastic retainer ring seen through the display case. The Miyota movement does not appear to have been adjusted terribly well. These are the same assembly lines that watches like Gucci and Armani are made on to a low spec.
Saying this, I am not ragging on China's watch industry as a whole- there are boutique manufacturers emerging like Obris Morgan (http://www.obrismorgan.com/) which provide absolutely incredible value for money (not to mention a watch that rivals watches in quality and spec 10X it's actual dollar value).
Panzera watches could be priced as low as US$190.00 RRP and everyone involved would still be making respectable margins, also the end consumer would be paying an appropriate amount of money.
What really gets me here is that A) Panzera have the nerve to serialize these watches B) do not disclose that the watch is made in China and C) are riding on the back of others heritage and prestige, using advertisement and copy that would have you think these watched were German in origin.

Apr 6, 2016

DannyMoonI think that the last drop's watch used a Shenzen, not Miyota, movement. And yes there's a huge range of quality and regulation of watches made with Miyotas. I'm not convinced that the drop price is good for this one or not.

Apr 6, 2016

FearlessleaderFor me, it is not about the movement in this one- Miyota will work well, so will a Seagull movement. It is the watch that has been assembled around these movements that is the concern. $510.00 is a lot of money - so is $234.99. You could get so much more- a Japanese or German or even an American made watch for this money!

Ivantheterrific

Apr 6, 2016

FearlessleaderGo for the Panzera Breuer 47 ... that uses a Sea-Gull ST1901 23 movement! Previous drop and this drop. The mechanism is really beautiful to watch from the rear. I love mechanical watches like this. Just picked up a Seiko automatic which is nice but rather boring compared to the Panzera. Quality and finish wise, the Panzera 47 styling and size is really a watch that strikes a huge impression. The Australian guys behind Panzera have really aced this one. I found the 44 less aesthetically distinctive. There may indeed be other competitors worth looking at for a lume feature at this price point. Style and size wise for the Breuer 47 ... hard challenge to find anything that looks or as finished as well as this. Good luck!

Apr 7, 2016

Ivantheterrific @Ivantheterrific, I am starting to think you work for Panzera. What are you saying?

Apr 7, 2016

IvantheterrificWhile I know there's a wide range of Miyota implementation qualities, I'm just not enthralled with paying >$300 for most any Chinese movement (e.g. the 47 here). Also, the 44 is white while the 47 is cream and that alone is a decision point. BUT, for even $240 you can fine Hamilton's, Bulovas, and other wellmade watches. Yet I don't know (@DannyMoon's comments aside) anything about how well made this Panzera is.

PANZERA1

Aug 14, 2020

DannyMoonHi I am from PANZERA Australia, and I would like to inform you that the information you have provided here is in fact false and misleading. To clarify the parts for all of our watches are made in Germany expect the movement from Japan, and the straps from Italy and Spain. The parts are shipped to Australia where we assemble, test and despatch all watches in our workshop in Sydney Australia. We have no parts or assembly in China, and any reference to suggest that we do is not only false but misleading information.

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Aug 14, 2020

PANZERA1Since you replied to a FOUR YEAR OLD COMMENT, please do a favor and clarify: has Panzera *EVER* (especially four years ago) used any Chinese movement? My comment was based on: http://www.ablogtowatch.com/panzera-flieger-f47-02d-wulf-watch/ which wrote: "Speaking of that movement, it’s rather likely that no one has heard of 2BA0 movement. As you might accurately guess, it is sourced from China. Specifically, it comes from the Hangzhou Watch Company" So, a third party (ablogtowatch) wrote that back then, at least, the Panzera 47 *DID* use a Chinese movement!!!!

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Rickyga

Sep 29, 2020

DannyMoonHey DannyMoon you may want to check your facts, I have been to the panzera workshop in Sydney and watched my watch being assembled in front of my eyes. They guy ( Andrew if i recall) explained that the all panzera watches are made in Australia using parts manufactured in Germany except the movement which is from Japan and the leather strap I got from Italy. I wouldn't say there watches are cheap but when you consider how they are put together I guess it makes sense. Would like to see another drop

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