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CursiveRules
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Jul 12, 2015
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Cross threading is not typically and issue with pens. I assume you could but you would almost have to try to do that on purpose .
dropbrian
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Jul 13, 2015
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CursiveRulesWhy don't you go ahead and edit up this post too, so that you make someone ELSE besides me look stupid.
jwzhan
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Jul 14, 2015
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dropbrianUsing your logic, half of the people out there have more money than taste. Mech keyboards community next door is willing to spend 350usd to replace their heavy duty plastic case with alunimum case, which one can argue is decreasing the utility, since aluminum is heavier and offers no more protection. Then there are the people who choose to go after.girls who don't care about them rather than going after girls who already like them, and why don't we judge them for who they love? That's because everyone's utility is different. I don't believe that any of these people said that paying 1000usd will give a better writing experience, but rather it's a nice pen to add to the collection. Who are you to say this pen or supercars have diminished utility for everyone or objectively? What makes your standard of utility better than everyone else's?
dropbrian
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Jul 14, 2015
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jwzhanAluminum is a great heat sink, so arguably it increases utility. Also, it looks awesome. I don't know where you get the stupid idea that I said people can't spend money on good looks or fashion. I just said I don't like THIS pen; I think it's tacky.
The car argument, I admit, was a bit thin, but made more sense in context to the stupid thing CrusiveRules posted about cars, which he has since deleted (removing the context).
If you are really pissed off about my car argument, fine you win. Whatever. If you are pissed off because I think it's a tacky pen, well I have as much of a right to my opinion of fashion as anyone.
EDIT: The ironic thing is, if you could see the context, you'd agree with ME. CursiveRules' original post said, basically, that a Maserati costs $1,000,000 because it has that VALUE. I pointed out, correctly, that after $100,000 or $200,000 it's a question of fashion, not value. You CAN objectively measure how good a car is, by how well it drives; you can objectively measure a fountain pen, by how well it writes. Reasonable minds might disagree on what's most important, but basically any pen more than $200 does not WRITE better, it just looks cooler, or is made with interesting materials and exotic designs or whatever—fashion. It's the same difference between a $10 wallmart t-shirt and a $200 silk dress shirt. I don't have a problem with people buying $200 silk shirts, but when the shirt is tacky I'll say so. :P
The car argument, I admit, was a bit thin, but made more sense in context to the stupid thing CrusiveRules posted about cars, which he has since deleted (removing the context).
If you are really pissed off about my car argument, fine you win. Whatever. If you are pissed off because I think it's a tacky pen, well I have as much of a right to my opinion of fashion as anyone.
EDIT: The ironic thing is, if you could see the context, you'd agree with ME. CursiveRules' original post said, basically, that a Maserati costs $1,000,000 because it has that VALUE. I pointed out, correctly, that after $100,000 or $200,000 it's a question of fashion, not value. You CAN objectively measure how good a car is, by how well it drives; you can objectively measure a fountain pen, by how well it writes. Reasonable minds might disagree on what's most important, but basically any pen more than $200 does not WRITE better, it just looks cooler, or is made with interesting materials and exotic designs or whatever—fashion. It's the same difference between a $10 wallmart t-shirt and a $200 silk dress shirt. I don't have a problem with people buying $200 silk shirts, but when the shirt is tacky I'll say so. :P
jwzhan
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Jul 14, 2015
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dropbrianUnfortunatrly, keyboards don't need huge heatsink and none of the parts actually touch the case for heat dissipation purpose, so that argument is purely moot. If you are talking about look, why is your opinion that aluminum looks great better than others' opinions that yellow pen looks great? I personally don't like yellow nor am I willing to spend 1000usd on pens, but I don't post blanket statement degrading those who do. And, no, I'm not pissed. I just don't like obnoxious comments, especially when they claim to have any objectivity or superiority. Yes, you have rights to your opinion.... until you start attcking other people's beliefs; meaning, you can say this pen is ugly, but please leave out utility or every other BS you brought up.
Edit: I don't know what he/she said, but value is mostly the business spin on utility, and is again subjective in most cases, including this one. I don't believe anyone claimed the pen can write better since it uses the same nib as M800, so there is no point in arguing about writing performance. I also disagree that people either pay for performance or fashion/show. There are various other reasons, such as simple appreciation or affrection for well crafted items, or many others that can't be explained by words.
Edit: I don't know what he/she said, but value is mostly the business spin on utility, and is again subjective in most cases, including this one. I don't believe anyone claimed the pen can write better since it uses the same nib as M800, so there is no point in arguing about writing performance. I also disagree that people either pay for performance or fashion/show. There are various other reasons, such as simple appreciation or affrection for well crafted items, or many others that can't be explained by words.
dropbrian
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Jul 14, 2015
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jwzhanSo then, you are basically ignoring everything I said about value vs fashion, and instead setting up a straw man about value vs utility? A $100 silk shirt obviously has better craftsmanship and will last longer, then a Walmart t-shirt . The term fashion has more to do with than just looks. Looks are, obviously, a big part of it though.
Edit: don't bother to answer. There really is no point in me talking with someone who came to a thread days after everyone has abandoned it just to tell me that I need to stop. Ok, you have told me what's what. I don't think you have proved anything, and if you reread carefully what I have written, you would realize that there is more nuance and thought to what I am saying than you give me credit for. I have not presented the black and white view you have attributed to me. At this point, however, the drop is almost over and it looks like the discount will not be reached. This drop has had a lot of discussion, a lot of people defending imaginary rich people with bad taste, and it looks like the drop won't even happen.
Edit: don't bother to answer. There really is no point in me talking with someone who came to a thread days after everyone has abandoned it just to tell me that I need to stop. Ok, you have told me what's what. I don't think you have proved anything, and if you reread carefully what I have written, you would realize that there is more nuance and thought to what I am saying than you give me credit for. I have not presented the black and white view you have attributed to me. At this point, however, the drop is almost over and it looks like the discount will not be reached. This drop has had a lot of discussion, a lot of people defending imaginary rich people with bad taste, and it looks like the drop won't even happen.
jwzhan
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Jul 14, 2015
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dropbrianIsn't it great to accuse the other side of setting up a straw man when you are doing it? The discussion has always been about the definition and subjectivity of utility, which I followed by saying value is the business jargon of utility, which is true by most text book definitions.
To the so called performance or "quality," I've already stated that no one has claimed anything about the performance of the pen, so I don't know why you kept bringing up the t-shirt. Perhaps because you have nothing else to say?
The term fashion is not inclusive enough to cover everything other than performance, and people buy things other than simple fashion or performance as I stated earlier, so your fashion v performance argument had been moot from onset.
And let's stay on topic and go back to utility. Your utility or value need is not superior to others' utility or value needs. Unless you can refute this, all you have said is moot, because all you have done is claiming your standard of utility should be the one used to evaluate this pen.
Edit: I think everyone understands what I'm saying and I'm done feeding the troll.
Edit: I think everyone understands what I'm saying and I'm done feeding the troll.
dropbrian
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Jul 14, 2015
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jwzhanI never said anything of the kind; I'm sorry you have such a difficult time parsing nuance. I have even endorsed the idea that there are $1000 I might want to buy. Again, if the post I responded to, that CursiveRules deleted, were still here what I said might make more sense in context.
All you are doing is trying to reparse semantics; you haven't actually substantially refuted a thing I said. But keep on in your quixotic quest to defend imaginary rich people with bad taste in the middle of a drop that isn't even going to happen.
EDIT: and for the record, my definition of fashion isn't nearly as broad and tortured as your definition of value
Edit TWO: "I'm done feeding the troll" says the person who comes into a days-quiet thread and starts lecturing people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Even if I'm "wrong" to make fun of people, it's not like I'm the police or indeed, like my opinion necessarily matters to someone who wants to buy the pen. Oh! I hurt their feelings by insisting if they buy the pen they have poor taste. THANK GOD YOU came in to defend the poor little rich people!
All you are doing is trying to reparse semantics; you haven't actually substantially refuted a thing I said. But keep on in your quixotic quest to defend imaginary rich people with bad taste in the middle of a drop that isn't even going to happen.
EDIT: and for the record, my definition of fashion isn't nearly as broad and tortured as your definition of value
Edit TWO: "I'm done feeding the troll" says the person who comes into a days-quiet thread and starts lecturing people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Even if I'm "wrong" to make fun of people, it's not like I'm the police or indeed, like my opinion necessarily matters to someone who wants to buy the pen. Oh! I hurt their feelings by insisting if they buy the pen they have poor taste. THANK GOD YOU came in to defend the poor little rich people!
Recoil_Rob
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Jul 14, 2015
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dropbrianI always wondered what the Massdrop demographic looked like what with all the the (to an old guy like me) wacky fantasy game card packs, high end headphones and creepy clothes that seem to pass through here. I just figured there are a lot of 20 somethings with the their heads buried inside video games, iPods, etc. So I left it alone, I didn't comment because I didn't understand.
I guess I am a fool to expect all these gameboys would show the older folks the same courtesy by keeping to themselves their rude comments about something they don't understand, the appreciation of the art of penmanship and fine writing instruments.
I guess I am a fool to expect all these gameboys would show the older folks the same courtesy by keeping to themselves their rude comments about something they don't understand, the appreciation of the art of penmanship and fine writing instruments.
dropbrian
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Jul 15, 2015
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Recoil_RobI'm 38. I spend a few hundred dollars a year on fountain pens, inks, papers, etc. Feel free to make fun of any or all of my purchases on this site (so far, two fountain pen drops and a Clairefontaine paper drop). I really don't care how old you are or what demographic you assume everyone here is part of.
Recoil_Rob
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Jul 17, 2015
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dropbrianWhoops, didn't mean to reply to you directly or disagree with your comments.
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