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Proelia Drop-Point TX020 Folding Knife

Proelia Drop-Point TX020 Folding Knife

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The Proelia TX020 is a formidable folder for heavy-duty work. The star of the show is its 3.75-inch drop-point blade made from D2 tool steel for good edge retention Read More

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14themoney
1395
Jul 27, 2019
I hope this one works. Thanx, Jonas. This looks like a great deal. I'm in. Is it too heavy? It ain't my brother, but I got a belt.......and suspenders.
reswright
3850
Jul 26, 2019
It's hard to get information on these knives. I have read from three different sources that they're Chinese, Russian, and made in the US out of Chinese and Taiwanese parts. I've seen a number of positive reviews but I've also seen the exact same 'personalized' ad copy on more than one website pretending to be the knife seller's reaction to these knives, so it's clear that all that was written by the manufacturer/middleman. Evidently from some comments made elsewhere, the brand owner is much more of a sales guy than a knife guy. There are a couple questionable claims, like D2 having a razor edge. I own a ton of D2 knives so it's not like I think it's terrible stuff. It’s run of the mill good rugged steel -- but its commonality reflects economics much more than it reflects the degree to which D2 is a good fit for pocket knives. D2 is old as hell and cheap as sin to manufacture, and despite a relatively high Rockwell hardness, it doesn't take crazy technology to grind and polish and hone, people have been forging and finishing D2 into blades for a long time, and even a chimp can heat treat D2 to a higher hardness than most common knife steels achieve, so it brings serious wear resistance to the table. Fewer mistakes are made forging and finishing, less waste and scrap being produced by those mistakes, so more cost effective in the round than working with a high vanadium steel like S35VN. Cheap to source, easy to work -- THAT is why manufacturers love D2, and hire so many ad men to butter up its description and make it sound sexier than a hundred year old tool steel. That's the ultimate reason you the consumer end up reading so much tendentious ad copy about D2 knives that make it sound better than just ok. The truth is people love D2’s strength; the truth also is, a lot of people want a sharper edge on their pocket knife than they can get with D2, especially once that factory grind wears down some. This confuses some who equate sharpenability to the ability to take a keen edge, which it is not. Hardness, toughness, grain size, purity, even the size of some individual molecules in the steel matrix all impacts how sharp of an edge you can get a blade of any given grind and angle to take. At the microscopic level, if a steel’s grain isn’t fine enough and the carbides small and hard enough, you just can’t get as keen an edge as you can with a steel like AEB-L or high carbon non or semi- stainless steel that has those qualities. What presents a thinner leading edge - a ‘blade’ made out of nothing but softballs pressed together, or one where there’s also marbles and ball bearings filling out that edge? The latter. Well, in layman’s terms D2 hasn’t got many bearings and marbles, and something like RWL-34 does. Of course, you don’t WANT a scalpel edge like that for everything; as they require honing maintenance with use, wider angle edges are more rugged and stand up to heavier use. Many tasks don’t require extremely sharp knives. Sharp edges fold over or fragment with hard use. But I do find that many people want and like as sharp an edge as practicable on their folding pocket knives. Otherwise? This is a better price on the TX020 than I have seen elsewhere, but it also is reported as heavier. The regular TX020 is something like 6.8 oz, which is chunky as it is -- this one is reported at 7.2 oz. Maybe cheaper heavier liners? Maybe cheaper hardware? Hard to say with Drop, and if major knife sellers like Knife Center are simply using the manufacturer's ad copy to discuss the knives instead of talking about them from personal experience, it's safe to say that the folks at Drop aren't going to have a better line of info, and if they did, the evidence suggests that they'd never bother to update the details in the ad copy. So who knows what it's made of, you won't know how much it weighs unless you order one and put it on a scale when it arrives. I'm curious about them -- no one says the knives are bad and most of them say they're very well made -- but 7+ oz for a folding knife isn't all that practical as far as I'm concerned, so i haven't pulled the trigger yet. If you like heavy knives, or at least aren't concerned about them either in the pocket or in the hand, there might be a lot to like here based on some of the reviews.
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reswright
3850
Jul 31, 2019
Curiosity got the best of me, even though the drop didn't go through -- I ordered a TX020 off the Zon and will see what's what when it arrives.
reswright
3850
Aug 3, 2019
reswrightMine arrived. The ten second roundup is that it's good, the dimensions differ a bit from those listed, I think it's a better knife than a bargain.
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The different dimensions: it's about a tenth of an inch shorter in the blade, the overall weight is 196 grams so it's slightly under 7 ounces, not the 7.2 ounes shown here or the 8 oz that the spec sheet that ships with the knife says - but the knife is professionally done by a solid OEM. The weight isn't off because incompatible parts were used or something, everything's got a nice tight fit with narrow tolerance. I like the knife. It flips nicely, very nicely for the size, and it's got solid ergos. It comes in a big inexpensive fabric wrapped cardboard box, and comes with a lot of extra hardware -- looks like there's an extra for every screw and pivot component on the knife, and a couple extra clips. This will be more of a benefit to some folks than others. Honestly the first thing I think when I see stuff like this is 'oh, whats wrong with the hardware that they gotta throw in extras?' Because usually there's a problem that someone's trying to head off at the pass if they ship the item with spare parts. But this stuff doesn't look like cheap hardware - it's mostly not super expensive stuff but it's very good and well made, and even the clip looks fine. So maybe they're just extras? But to me it seems like what's going on is that the OEM made a good knife but it's more, in this market, like $40 than a $50-60 knife and evidently they think they need to charge the latter, so they're coming up with a big box and all the extra toss ins to justify a sale price north of $50. So that's where I am on the bargain -- i don't need all that stuff. But a guy who buys and owns and uses only one or two knives at a time will possibly see this as a much better bargain than i do. The velcro pouch isn't anything I use, but someone else might, and it's not bad at all -- I didn't even really look at it at first because they're always crappy, but this one actually looks pretty rugged and decently designed. It's got nice bearings, too -- not the usual nylon cages, or cobbled together rings where bearings are jammed between nylon teeth and then sealed in with another layer of nylon, but an old school brass cage that looks pretty well precision made under microscope.
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The fellas talking about appreciating a heavier knife? Mine's good, go ahead and have a go, you'll probably really appreciate how grippy the knife is despite the weight. My initial sense of it is that it's an ok value -- I don't feel bad at all that I paid for it, as a madder of fact I might have a go at modding it up a bit, not that it needs it. At the same time I'm not feeling an urge to run out and buy the TX010 for the same price. The knife itself is decent and the ruggedness feels to be there in spades, and if you like taking apart your knives but you lose bits all the time, this one definitely has your back. And, I mean -- look at that grind.
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That's not hand ground. That's computerized, that's a CNC bit leaving those fine lines. The blades are stamped with a serial number on the side of the tang. If anyone finds out who the OEM is for these, I'd love to know. Looks like they know their biz. Mind you, the engraving script is a little aliased and artifacted from the process by which the text was mapped to the curve - check how the letter pitch jumps up and down in 'Hardening'. It speaks to someone doing the best they can with the engraving program they have, and not so much someone with advanced skills in manufacturing engraving. But iffy font is probably the worst thing I can find on the knife.
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Mine arrived. The ten second roundup is that it's good, the dimensions differ a bit from those listed, I think it's a better knife than a bargain. [image] The different dimensions: it's about a tenth of an inch shorter in the blade, the overall weight is 196 grams so it's slightly under 7 ounces, not the 7.2 ounes shown here or the 8 oz that the spec sheet that ships with the knife says - but the knife is professionally done by a solid OEM. The weight isn't off because incompatible parts were used or something, everything's got a nice tight fit with narrow tolerance. I like the knife. It flips nicely, very nicely for the size, and it's got solid ergos. It comes in a big inexpensive fabric wrapped cardboard box, and comes with a lot of extra hardware -- looks like there's an extra for every screw and pivot component on the knife, and a couple extra clips. This will be more of a benefit to some folks than others. Honestly the first thing I think when I see stuff like this is 'oh, whats wrong with the hardware that they gotta throw in extras?' Because usually there's a problem that someone's trying to head off at the pass if they ship the item with spare parts. But this stuff doesn't look like cheap hardware - it's mostly not super expensive stuff but it's very good and well made, and even the clip looks fine. So maybe they're just extras? But to me it seems like what's going on is that the OEM made a good knife but it's more, in this market, like $40 than a $50-60 knife and evidently they think they need to charge the latter, so they're coming up with a big box and all the extra toss ins to justify a sale price north of $50. So that's where I am on the bargain -- i don't need all that stuff. But a guy who buys and owns and uses only one or two knives at a time will possibly see this as a much better bargain than i do. The velcro pouch isn't anything I use, but someone else might, and it's not bad at all -- I didn't even really look at it at first because they're always crappy, but this one actually looks pretty rugged and decently designed. It's got nice bearings, too -- not the usual nylon cages, or cobbled together rings where bearings are jammed between nylon teeth and then sealed in with another layer of nylon, but an old school brass cage that looks pretty well precision made under microscope. [image] The fellas talking about appreciating a heavier knife? Mine's good, go ahead and have a go, you'll probably really appreciate how grippy the knife is despite the weight. My initial sense of it is that it's an ok value -- I don't feel bad at all that I paid for it, as a madder of fact I might have a go at modding it up a bit, not that it needs it. At the same time I'm not feeling an urge to run out and buy the TX010 for the same price. The knife itself is decent and the ruggedness feels to be there in spades, and if you like taking apart your knives but you lose bits all the time, this one definitely has your back. And, I mean -- look at that grind. [image] That's not hand ground. That's computerized, that's a CNC bit leaving those fine lines. The blades are stamped with a serial number on the side of the tang. If anyone finds out who the OEM is for these, I'd love to know. Looks like they know their biz. Mind you, the engraving script is a little aliased and artifacted from the process by which the text was mapped to the curve - check how the letter pitch jumps up and down in 'Hardening'. It speaks to someone doing the best they can with the engraving program they have, and not so much someone with advanced skills in manufacturing engraving. But iffy font is probably the worst thing I can find on the knife.
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