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Progressive Set of 7 Practice Locks

Progressive Set of 7 Practice Locks

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Practice makes perfect. And that’s especially true for anyone practicing the delicate art of lockpicking Read More

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VinceAnt
12
Apr 22, 2018
I'm a beginner, I really want to get the difficult set. Would anyone recommend against this? Thanks!
JacobJ
1
Dec 25, 2017
This isn't every day carry who would carry practice locks with them everyday??????
from the seller: Ok, keep an eye open, or request, one of our Massdrop kits featuring EZ Rekey Practice Locks -- that would be my advice. These are practice locks that can be quickly rekeyed at any time without tools and without any knowledge of rekeying, and they come with extra pins and top pins enabling the user to create combinations ranging from ridiculously easy to ridiculously difficult -- anywhere from 1-pin combos to 6-pin combos that include, if desired, spool drivers. Some people prefer THAT approach, others prefer progressive sets like these. Both approaches are valid; it depends on user preference.
TimTech
11
Sep 26, 2017
Let's address the fact that one could simply buy a single cylinder and repin it with increasingly difficult combinations. The "hobbiest" element of the lockpicking on Massdrop is really quite bass ackwards from a locksmith perspective.
Jaxnmarko
8
May 7, 2017
Should we add other breaking and entering tools into the everyday carry or other sections? Sure, picking locks can be a hobby. And ethics are important. And guns don't kill people, people kill people. And temptation to use one's newly found skills might be stopped. Or not. In some states, even having lock picks in one's possession is a crime. A person can learn hacking skills. bomb making skills. Drug manufacturing skills. It doesn't mean they will use them. Just that they are prepared to use them. I don't think mentally impaired people should be able to get firearms. And we don't check to see who gets these tools. We may just be putting the wrong tools into the wrong hands, all in the name of... fun?
MswmSwmsW
125
Aug 25, 2018
I'm a locksmith, too.
1. i personally don't have an issue with people buying a pick set. i think the other dude is trying too hard to defend his opinion.
2. it's called non-destructive entry, and it is always preferable to any medhod that results in damage to the customer's lock. think about it, if you call a locksmith and pay him 100 bucks to simply show up, but all he does is throw a brick through your window, how would you feel? and also, picking a lock is often times faster than drilling one. plus, it is a lot more impressive and professional looking, and less expensive for the customer.
detro420
0
Aug 25, 2018
People can buy lockpicks WITHOUT any sort of checks or requirements from hundreds of places with a quick google and will find them if they want, I think the comparison to guns is completely ridiculous. Also LockSport and picking for fun is actually a REALLY big hobby these days and for those of us in Information Security and especially for those us who perform redteam engagements and perform physical penetration tests - picks are a requirement.
It is also a fun hobby for many geeks and folks who enjoy puzzles, my wife picks while relaxing around the house to keep her hands and brain busy for example. I know most licensed locksmiths aren't too fond of the large and growing user base that pick for fun even when affiliated with very large and ethical locksport groups such as TOOOL because they assume people who like to pick are criminals (or working unlicensed which is worse imho). Though.... massdrop has knives which are much more likely to be utilized in a crime...a criminal isn't going to reach for a set of picks to take on a 5-6 pin deadbolt with some decent security pins, they are typically going to break a window, break the door in or utilize other destructive entry methods on the lock itself or find another way in. Keeping lockpicks out of the hands of everyone is essentially security through obscurity. It seems to be a common argument that comes up from people that have spent their lives making a career out of locksmithing when in reality, standard locking mechanisms have been around since the Sumerians and Egyptians and the tech hasn't really changed that drastically scarily enough, aside from them no longer being made out of wood. So do we just require a license to buy picks (which can be easily made at home from windshield wiper blades among other items) until lock companies actually acknowledge their vulnerabilities? Or can we put them on massdrop when they stop making locks that can be easily opened with kinetic techniques such as bumping and go say the way of Medeco and other high security locks that utilize REAL protection methods to prevent entry? You know, ones which are NOT easily bypassable by a jackass with a 5 dollar set of bump keys? Picks are picks...if massdrop was selling sets of bump key with guides, elevator and service keys, TSA master keys, large equipment default keys for industrial equipment etc., I might raise an eyebrow due to the complete lack of skill required for those items and would agree some vetting should be done for those types of items to ensure they are actual smith's or security experts. But really man, when it comes to picks, if a criminal is actually utilizing picks they are typically a quite a few levels above your average scumbag who breaks into peoples homes and they will get their picks REGARDLESS. Massdrop just helps make it cheaper for those of us who truly enjoy, love and appreciate locks and locksport. I know this is ranty and i feel your pain regarding unlicensed locksmiths stealing business and destroying the trust the public has in licensed locksmiths but comparing this to guns is just batshit crazy. This site is frequented by geeks who want mechanical keyboards so picks are kinda right up the alley of the people who visit this site. Anyway enough coffee, i'm done. Hopefully you can take this with a grain of salt and see it from the point of view of the hobbyist who has watched his 6 year old open sentry safe lock boxes in under 3-4 seconds with a popsicle stick...seriously. I apologize if this is taken wrong and have the utmost respect for your profession - but as I said criminals are going to get picks (if they know how to actually use them) if they want them regardless....why make it harder for the hobbyists when sparrows, southord and even serepick sell to everyone?
AutoPointer
80
May 5, 2017
I love the idea that 7 locks will be our every day carrying.
From the seller: I want to clarify a detail in the description of this drop, if I may. The drop is for 7 high quality PRACTICE LOCKS -- not lockpicks. This is a small error but it might be causing some confusion for those thinking of buying. The locks are key-in-knob style (KIK), as shown in the image -- which is the type of lock cylinder found inside about 90% of all deadbolts and keyed knobs or levers sold. I hope this info is of help.
Vloshko
152
May 2, 2017
Can I re-pin the locks?
Pyro_hedgehog
63
Aug 4, 2017
VloshkoI would advise against removing the top cover, just use a plug follower and you can look up how to do it. Also start with the 1 pin lock, that way if you mess it up you just have to get 1 pin back.
TimTech
11
Sep 26, 2017
VloshkoYEs, these are just standard kwikset cylinders.
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dingie
136
Jan 16, 2017
Just buy a challenge lock. You can set it yourself with all kinds of pin setups. Depending on the one you buy, you can set up a 3-pin with easy pins and go all the way to 5-pin or 7-pin with myriad security pins. The lock comes with a bag of pins and you can get another giant bag of security pins for another $10. That way you can put in a single security pin and see exactly how that works by itself. Then add more. Altogether it's actually cheaper than this, even with the extra bag of security pins.
Once you learn the idiosyncracies of each of these locks, you will learn nothing more from them ever again. You'll pick them automatically without thinking. A challenge lock lets you continually challenge yourself (thus the name). You also get a sense for how locks work, since you have to set it up yourself.
dingie
136
Jan 16, 2017
I didn't know if providing a link would be thread-crapping on this drop. But since you asked, I got mine here: http://learnlockpicking.com/ (scroll down for 5-pin, 6-pin, and 7-pin options)
I also got this hobby vise to hold the lock (which you'd need with this drop as well): https://www.amazon.com/Bessey-BVVB-Vacuum-Base-Vise/dp/B0057PUR88/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1484591463&sr=8-3&keywords=hobby+vise
spacey
0
Jan 16, 2017
I got mine from lockpickshop.com
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People can buy lockpicks WITHOUT any sort of checks or requirements from hundreds of places with a quick google and will find them if they want, I think the comparison to guns is completely ridiculous. Also LockSport and picking for fun is actually a REALLY big hobby these days and for those of us in Information Security and especially for those us who perform redteam engagements and perform physical penetration tests - picks are a requirement. It is also a fun hobby for many geeks and folks who enjoy puzzles, my wife picks while relaxing around the house to keep her hands and brain busy for example. I know most licensed locksmiths aren't too fond of the large and growing user base that pick for fun even when affiliated with very large and ethical locksport groups such as TOOOL because they assume people who like to pick are criminals (or working unlicensed which is worse imho). Though.... massdrop has knives which are much more likely to be utilized in a crime...a criminal isn't going to reach for a set of picks to take on a 5-6 pin deadbolt with some decent security pins, they are typically going to break a window, break the door in or utilize other destructive entry methods on the lock itself or find another way in. Keeping lockpicks out of the hands of everyone is essentially security through obscurity. It seems to be a common argument that comes up from people that have spent their lives making a career out of locksmithing when in reality, standard locking mechanisms have been around since the Sumerians and Egyptians and the tech hasn't really changed that drastically scarily enough, aside from them no longer being made out of wood. So do we just require a license to buy picks (which can be easily made at home from windshield wiper blades among other items) until lock companies actually acknowledge their vulnerabilities? Or can we put them on massdrop when they stop making locks that can be easily opened with kinetic techniques such as bumping and go say the way of Medeco and other high security locks that utilize REAL protection methods to prevent entry? You know, ones which are NOT easily bypassable by a jackass with a 5 dollar set of bump keys? Picks are picks...if massdrop was selling sets of bump key with guides, elevator and service keys, TSA master keys, large equipment default keys for industrial equipment etc., I might raise an eyebrow due to the complete lack of skill required for those items and would agree some vetting should be done for those types of items to ensure they are actual smith's or security experts. But really man, when it comes to picks, if a criminal is actually utilizing picks they are typically a quite a few levels above your average scumbag who breaks into peoples homes and they will get their picks REGARDLESS. Massdrop just helps make it cheaper for those of us who truly enjoy, love and appreciate locks and locksport. I know this is ranty and i feel your pain regarding unlicensed locksmiths stealing business and destroying the trust the public has in licensed locksmiths but comparing this to guns is just batshit crazy. This site is frequented by geeks who want mechanical keyboards so picks are kinda right up the alley of the people who visit this site. Anyway enough coffee, i'm done. Hopefully you can take this with a grain of salt and see it from the point of view of the hobbyist who has watched his 6 year old open sentry safe lock boxes in under 3-4 seconds with a popsicle stick...seriously. I apologize if this is taken wrong and have the utmost respect for your profession - but as I said criminals are going to get picks (if they know how to actually use them) if they want them regardless....why make it harder for the hobbyists when sparrows, southord and even serepick sell to everyone?
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