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Revue Thommen Diver GMT Automatic Watch

Bobraz

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Sep 13, 2019

To those who imply, or declare - sure of themselves and their ego - that this is a 'copy' of the Rolex GMT: Rolex - nor anyone else - Does not own the so-called 'Pepsi' bicolor bezel design, nor do they own the 'diver watch' design. So there is no 'real' or 'fake', or 'copycat', or 'homage'; they're all real. They are all variations on a 60 - or more- years old design that was widely accepted and appreciated ... Rolex did a lot more advertising with these designs, associating the design with their brand, that is all. But many brands, throughout the years, produced similarly designed watches. I'm not referring to fakes and unauthorized copies of Rolex here - which is intellectual property theft and abhorrent. I'm talking about legit brands, producing affordable or expensive watches, sharing aesthetically similar design points pertaining to the 'diver GMT watch'. Nobody's copying nobody since this design has been produced and adapted a zillion times. I recommend researching before assuming and declaring this (or another watch) is a copy, or lesser quality watch; it's unfair and a disservice to the manufacturers and the watch enthusiasts here.

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Raheem77

Sep 15, 2019

BobrazWell there has been One who made the design first and wjethu the copyrighted the design is kind of a moot point. The fact is that the design itself is unique and whoever first came up with it is the original designer "brand" (not even sure is it's Rolex.

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Bobraz

2631

Sep 15, 2019

Raheem77It was not Rolex... That's for sure! Google the history of the dive watch...

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Raheem77

Sep 15, 2019

BobrazWell with quick googling this was what was found: The Rolex Submariner was introduced at the BaselWatch Fair in 1954 which coincided with the development of self-contained underwater breathing apparatus, known as scuba. In 1959, the United States Navy Experimental Diving Unit evaluated five diving watches that included the Bulova US Navy Submersible Wrist Watch, Enicar Sherpa Diver 600, Enicar Seapearl 600, Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, and the Rolex Oyster Perpetual.

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RayF

22220

Sep 16, 2019

BobrazKeep a copy of that comment handy--the way things are going around here, we're going to need it every time MD does another diver drop. Now that I think about it, maybe we should print it on t-shirts and pass them out to the new kids ;- )

Bobraz

2631

Sep 16, 2019

RayF💯

Bobraz

2631

Sep 16, 2019

Raheem77Yep, so that's exactly what I was referring to: in the 40's and 50's many watch brands were experimenting with dive watches, many designs were presented by various brands, and there were many similarities across several brands, and a cross-pollination of designs. So indeed, Rolex alone did not come up with the look of the Submariner as we know it today ; it was rather the result of a confluence of several aesthetic trends converging (bezel, hands, case shape, etc.). Nobody was truly copying nobody, everybody was experimenting at pretty much the same time. Rolex was just better and smarter in marketing and were able to create their brand and continue investing in it, and come up with several technical innovations. They were - are still are - genius in that regard! If you're really interested in dive watch history you should spend five bucks and educate your inner WIS: https://www.watchtime-shop.com/dive-watches-through-the-decades.html

Raheem77

Sep 16, 2019

BobrazWhat you say does not only make common sense but is pretty much how the nature of design in general evolves in pretty much any industry. With that being said, and I'm no Rolex fanboy per se, but wasn't there a unique and more importantly influencial character in the Submariner design which had the most impact on the designs there after? Can you give few references of other designs which were before the launch of the Submariner which best close resemblance? This is what I'm referring to and by no means I'm no expert in this subject.

Pescawaldo

Sep 17, 2019

BobrazExacty, with the specs provided with dive watches it is almost unavoidable to have similar designs. Also during that time brands were using similar factories to produce cases/dials/movements. Comments are so toxic at times.

RayF

22220

Sep 17, 2019

PescawaldoOh, I know!

JAone

999

Jan 16, 2020

BobrazI totally agree Bobraz; even so if one does believe it is a copy; notwithstanding there is only so many design variations one can make to a particular theme on a wristwatch: isn't "imitation the greatest form of flattery", or something like that. And even if some believe it is a Rolex copy/homage; isn't it just fine that the price-point enables a lot of guys to be able to afford and somewhat experience the perceived enjoyment of wearing a watch that purports to be a "Submariner". I know I am one who appreciates this look but probably will never be able to afford or justify the expense of Rolex, "hell" I don't even think the security guards at the Rolex shop in my city would even let me in!!

BarryBogave

124

Jan 17, 2020

BobrazRolex may not have started first, but they won the race to this design. There is no other way to look at this watch than to think of it or compare it to a Rolex. If you say otherwise you are only lying to yourself and trying to fool others. Nobody and I mean nobody sees this watch from a distance and thinks: "That's a really cool Revue Thommen". Similarly Breitling and Panerai have created their own look. I don't see Panerai trying to replicate this GMT look. Frankly it's just embarrassing.

RayF

22220

Jan 17, 2020

BarryBogaveEvery time you put your pants on, you're copying the guy who first invented the kind with two legs.

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BarryBogave

124

Jan 17, 2020

RayFYes, but when I put jeans on that are teal blue, with an eagle on the back left pocket, two silver stars on the back right pocket, two cargo pockets on the right side only, and only cuffed on the left side then try to convince people they are just another pair of pants and not the latest stupid design by Supreme that cost $2000 then I'm just lying to myself and everyone else. As I said, when I wear my Breitling, nobody thinks it's my Seiko, and yet they are both watches. Put another way, there are original Shelby Cobras and there are Shelby Cobra "kit cars". Personally if I can't afford the original I'd would rather buy a Ford Muatang instead. Only you can decide your own level of comfort with owning an Homage (replica).