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Sep 24, 2017

For the people complaining about the MSRP, this card isnt being sold by AMD, its from SAPPHIRE.. And last I checked on amazon and newegg the price for the vega64 was not $499... Just checked newegg and there was one for $649 by XFX... dunno how reputable they are.. Second cheapest two are $679 by Powercolor and SAPPHIRE..
MSRP means jack squat with graphics cards, when they released the 1070 they said it'd have an MSRP of like 379 right? well actually im quite surprised I found one even for $410. but its been a year and a half from launch. At launch the card was way above the MSRP... If anyone can get a vega64 for $499 ill be surprised.

Pylinaer

Sep 24, 2017

SchmexyXFX is pretty decent.

Bobert

Sep 24, 2017

SchmexyNVIDIA is selling the 1080 directly to customers for $549. If AMD really wanted to get cards to gamers at their MSRP they would sell them directly.

nappydrew

Sep 24, 2017

BobertBINGO! What he said ^^^ If AMD gave 2 shits about getting them to you at a fair price, they'd simply sell them directly.

Atomkinder

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Sep 24, 2017

nappydrewSorry, that's not how AIB partner agreements work. AMD won't sell cards directly to avoid competing with their partners, and may even not be legally allowed to depending on contracts. Check nVidia FE cards if you think they sell at a "fair price" to the benefit of the consumer either.
FWIW these are all reference cards, and while the blower style cooler is not great, the card itself is extremely robust.

TiJoTo

Sep 24, 2017

SchmexyThe MSRP is $499.99 and should be displayed as such. Massdrop showing it as $749.99 is an out right lie to trick people into beveling they are getting a deal. If they want to use the typical market price, fine, just don't pass it off as MSRP This is product misrepresentation and proves Massdrop is not trustworthy, how often do they lie in their product listings to get a sale?

Bobert

Sep 24, 2017

AtomkinderIf that’s not how it works with board partners then how can NVIDIA sell directly to customers? Which NVIDIA card being sold at NVIDIA is $100 - $250 over MSRP? NVIDIA never told the media they were trying to lower prices and they support gamers while at the same time not doing anything to lower prices because it’s out of their control, since they sell directly, and improving drivers for miners.

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Atomkinder

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Sep 25, 2017

Bobert*sigh*
nVidia doesn't have the same contracts. nVidia only sells the Founders Edition cards (which retail for more but generally get the most aftermarket liquid cooling support because they are standardized), and AMD does actually sell some cards directly, namely the Vega Frontier Edition and the WX professional cards. RX certainly appears to be only for AIB's. It's pretty obvious that although the reference cards are built by AMD, the RX line is never going to be direct sales. It was the same with the 400 series (there were no reference models for the 500 series).
nVidia doesn't have to tell the media anything, they get plenty of advertising and their mistakes rarely seem to stick for some reason.
AMD can try all they want, it doesn't mean they'll succeed. That's not a good thing, just is what it is; they'd be absolutely stupid to ignore a market segment completely. Tons of cards were bought by miners and they're still customers, just with different goals. There's no point in being salty about customer support.

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Bobert

Sep 25, 2017

AtomkinderWhat contract are you talking about? Have you seen this contract or are you simply speculating and using conjecture as a fact? Salty about customer support? Look at their advertisements and look at what they’ve said and then compare that to what they’ve done. “ we want gamers to be able to buy these cards”, “we care about gamers”: doesn’t produce enough cards, packages cards “for gamers”, but with only the most expensive motherboards, stops giving rebates to resellers to ensure cards are sold at SEP, updates drivers to improve mining, tells everyone they are working with retailers to reduce prices while they keep rising, NVIDIA is selling their 1080 at $51 below MSRP not $200 above. If AMD was transparent there would be no issue.

SkipPp

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Sep 25, 2017

SchmexyXFX is actually a first-rate graphics card manufacturer. They are the only AMD cards I buy. Also, these cards are being bought by crypto-miners. They care about return, not FPS/$.

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Schmexy

Sep 25, 2017

TiJoToOk regardless of the prices now i'm sure the prices will drop. Whats the harm in waiting for few weeks or maybe a month or two before purchasing?

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Chetsup

Sep 25, 2017

SkipPpI've owned 2 XFX cards and 2 of them have broken down in one way or another. One bricked itself on a standard clock. The other regularly crashed on standard clock. Both less than 3-5 months old. One a rx480, one an rx580. (The 580 is the one that killed itself).
With the new terrible prices of the Vega's, I've gone green with the 1080 TI and haven't looked back.

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MarginalSC

Sep 26, 2017

SchmexyRegardless of the current gouging, it's not worth the price of a 1080ti. It performs about on the level of a 1080 and those tend to run $500. Even its little brother the Vega 56 can perform on par when OC'ed. There's literally no reason to get a Vega 64 in the current market.

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blahhh

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Sep 26, 2017

BobertThe MSRP for the GTX 1080 is supposed to be $499, not $549

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Bobert

Sep 29, 2017

blahhhThe MSRP at launch was $599 and Is AMD selling their cards directly to customers near MSRP? Did NVIDIA pay resellers to sell their cards for cheaper prices? Did NVIDIA tell consumers they are trying to work with resellers to get the prices down without having the ability to actually affect prices?

nappydrew

Oct 9, 2017

AtomkinderYou can attempt to rationalize it however you would like, but the bottom line is that AMD literally owns all rights to the Vega GPU die-package, so to insist that because of some agreement, that by the way, you cannot produce, because you're talking out of your a$$, that AMD cannot sell directly to consumers, is simply asinine. The AIB's make SOME PCB's, however the reference design board is also made by AMD. These are reference cards, other than slapping the name MSI, or Sapphire on it, it's literally all made by AMD. The specs are the exact same for all of the reference cards, with the sole exception of sourcing some of the HBM from Samsung, and some from Hynix. Stop attempting to defend something that's indefensible. You're beating a dead horse, here...

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Bobert

Oct 11, 2017

SchmexyThe prices of the previous generation hasn't dropped yet, so there's little hope RX 56 or 64 will be dropping in price any time soon.

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KamiCAT

Oct 12, 2017

Boberti hopping that they drop down to near $550...

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Schmexy

Oct 12, 2017

Bobert vega 56's are at $499 only $100 off the MSRP right? same with the 64 just $120 above. Chances are in a month or two they'll be within MSRP. a lot can chance in a month, look at when I originally posted my comment when the prices were in the $700's or sold out. Also we should hope more miners spend stupid amounts of money on over priced older cards so AMD can maybe make vega cheaper? usually miners wont buy higher end cards... If you really want to buy a graphics card now then buy a GeForce GT 710 (or stay red and go Radeon HD 5450) to hold you over untill prices drop.

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Bobert

Oct 12, 2017

SchmexyChances are? Based on what? Again 580‘s are still overpriced. You can get a 1080 for just over $500 so why spend that much on a rx56?
AMD paid retailers to keep the price low at launch. AMD has a supply issue because of the memory those cards use.
”if you really want to buy a graphics card now” get a 1080 and enjoy better driver support and yet gaming performance. Buying a much lesser video card is just throwing money away.

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