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DannyMilks
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May 1, 2017
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SantiagoDraconame a backpack that is lighter and can carry 50-100 pounds.
SantiagoDraco
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May 1, 2017
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DannyMilksYou got me there.... but finding a lighter pack that can carry that much weight wasn't quite the point I was trying to make. Certainly there are other "light weight" somewhat heavy load/high volume packs, like the ULA Catalyst, but none are considered "Ultra Light" (not even Seek Outside lists this as Ultra Light). The point being is that it's somewhat... inaccurate... to consider this ultralight since by definition ultralight is, I believe, under 10lbs base weight.
As a heavy load pack it's weight is fantastic and it looks to be a great pack...but UL it's not.
As a heavy load pack it's weight is fantastic and it looks to be a great pack...but UL it's not.
dmdak
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May 6, 2017
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SantiagoDraco Manufacturer-stated weight (Revolution, Fortress, and Talon combined): < 4 lbs (1.8 kg) Base weight is way under 10 pounds
SantiagoDraco
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May 6, 2017
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dmdakBase weight is gear and pack. This pack would never qualify as UL.
Seanneves
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May 7, 2017
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SantiagoDracoUltralight has been defined by certain people in their own parameters and needs. In my mind, ultralight is only properly defined within context. This pack does what previous packs that weighed 10 lbs does. It is also no less than three times as durable as your Zpacks (or whatever) and can haul anything a photographer, packrafter, hunter or circumnavigator could want. Ultralight it is in my mind. Super tempted by this as I am known to haul a guitar to 13k feet every now and then and have also catered dinners in the wilderness. Not everybody travels like persnickety gram weenies. Some of us seek both adventure and practical purpose.
SantiagoDraco
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May 7, 2017
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SeannevesUltralight is clearly defined and widely agreed upon it's not some subjective standard. It's not opinion or what "UL means to you". If you are selling UL gear it should conform to the generally agreed upon standards for UL. For backpacks for long distance that is around 36oz.
And since this pack is designed for carrying 50+lbs "comfortably" I'm not sure why ANY ultralight backpacker would buy this pack for...well...ultralight backpacking. Seems pretty sensible to me to buy an actual UL pack that weighs a pound less and can comfortably carry an actual UL pack weight (and more).
Not sure how the point can be argued otherwise unless you just want to dismiss the clearly establish standards just for the sake of arguing a position.
And since this pack is designed for carrying 50+lbs "comfortably" I'm not sure why ANY ultralight backpacker would buy this pack for...well...ultralight backpacking. Seems pretty sensible to me to buy an actual UL pack that weighs a pound less and can comfortably carry an actual UL pack weight (and more).
Not sure how the point can be argued otherwise unless you just want to dismiss the clearly establish standards just for the sake of arguing a position.
Seanneves
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May 8, 2017
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SantiagoDracoSome ideas that are being executed: ultralight hunting, ultralight photography/film, unsupported ultra-endurance, multi-mode ultralight (ie, bike-boat-walk-climb). There are modes of travel that are happening right now that are revolutionizing how we play. Two weeks ago I rode my fat bike to a river, folded the bike up and floated 75 miles, put everything on my back and scrambled class four for thirteen miles and rode the bike back to my car. This community is not "Ultralight Backpacking". It is "Ultralight".
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