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Jeff-in
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Mar 20, 2017
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Not sure how you claim MSRP at $349.95 and a 50% savings. Sierra Design's own web site list it at $319.00 with free shipping.
Same Specifications as you list: EN Comfort Limit:38oF / 3oC EN Lower Limit:29oF / -2oC Fits To:Men's Regular: 6 ft / 182 cm Men's Long: 6 ft 6 in. / 198 cm Fill Weight:Men's Regular: 13.0 oz. / 0.37 kg Men's Long: 14.4 oz. / 0.41 kg Trail Weight:Men's Regular: 2 lbs / 0.91 kg Men's Long: 2 lbs 3 oz. / 0.99 kg
Not saying you still offer a decent discount over Sierra Design list price, but the facts suggest the full offer is not as presented.
Mar 20, 2017
PaigeD
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Mar 20, 2017
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I've adjusted MSRP to reflect the correct price. Thanks for bringing to our attention.
Mar 20, 2017
When this bag was released the MSRP was 379... I will never understand members obsession with this completely useless number. Selling price here vs selling price elsewhere is the only thing people should be taking into consideration. Can we just get rid of MSRP? I've stopped reading the majority of the comments sections in drops because it's filled with ignorant masses complaining about something that doesn't actually matter.
Mar 22, 2017
Jeff-in
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Mar 24, 2017
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It is about integrity and honesty. I am being asked to provide my financial information and trust that the right thing will be done. The business model here is I will be charged and then have to potentially wait several weeks or more until product is ready to ship. Trust is everything. In selling/buying honesty in advertising is one of the few clues buyers have on weather a seller can be trusted, or that the products are what they say they are, etc. I have to say, I am 1000% impressed with the responsiveness on Paige and the Massdrop people for correcting an advertising error almost instantly. This tells me.... A) They Care, and are not afraid to admit an error and take care of it. B) They are responsive to their customers. C) They add value and serve others. D) In short, They can be trusted.
Because of this little exchange I will tell others i know of the decent deals here and advertise for them. They have generated a promoter of their company.
Mar 24, 2017
You've missed my point and reinforced my belief that reading the comments section is a waste of time. I guess discussion of the facets of the actual product at hand is now part of Massdrop's past, not it's future.
Mar 24, 2017
DannyMilks
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Mar 24, 2017
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MSRP is (with few exceptions) consistent, whereas street price elsewhere is hugely variable considering shipping methods, state tax laws, international shipping, ability to ship to said locations, special sign up discounts or incentive programs, credit card rebates, and sunk cost of $100 a year for Prime Membership. So, it would be impossible to state competitive price, whereas MSRP is clear, obvious and consistent.
Before we start any drop, we price check to make sure we are offering the best value to our members. If a brand has good control over their distribution, then the street price will be at MSRP for 90-95% of the year. So, for most of the companies we work with, MSRP is generally also street price. And when it's not, then it's usually on sale everywhere. Outdoor products tend to go on sale at around the same time - Presidents and MLK day weekends for winter, leading up to Memorial Day and July 4, post- Labor Day, and Black Friday.
Other industries (maybe tech and edc?) probably have street prices that are nearly *always* lower than MSRP, so I could see you having an issue there. We run into that with a few brands. Morakniv comes to mind. But go check on something from Black Diamond, Petzl, Icebreaker, Mountain Hardwear . . . and you might find a sale on some odd sizes or colors, especially last year's products, but in general you'll find that all stores are selling the rest of the products at full MSRP.
I think what @Jeff-in was getting at is that listing the MSRP is straightforward and free of any tinkering by us. It's stated by the manufacturer, and if they change it, then we do too, as do all retailers. However if we listed street price, What shipping location would we choose? Someone in CA or Alaska or Colorado, and do we include Prime, which costs $100? Would you trust our "street price"? And what if that price changed in the time we did our research to the time the drop actually started - would that be false advertising? Could we get in trouble for it?
Finally, I'd be interested to hear your perspective on the value of discussion across different communities. I generally find that the Ultralight and Outdoors discussions are fairly positive and informing. Would you agree? Are other communities different?
Thanks for posting and I do hope you find value in what we're doing here!
Mar 24, 2017
Missed your reply previously Danny, sorry for the delay in response. I still enjoy the community aspect of this site as it can bring together a variety of individuals with a wealth of experiential knowledge in various hobbyist arenas. I do feel it has taken a decidedly downward turn over the last 6 months or so in the product discussion threads. I think the Audiophile community was the first to go. In fact there is one particular poster over there that I know has been banned from every major audio enthusiast website on the internet but continues to be allowed to spew his BS and hate here. I get it, posters are also customers, but allow me to ignore his sorely limited view of the world via a block button. The Tech community can also be quite a mess depending on the nature of the drop (PC parts come to mind as a serious offender). I've recently noticed this activity occurring in the Ultralight and Outdoors sections but not to the level of the aforementioned communities. Perhaps a required Read Me (unskippable) page for new users might greatly dispel a lot of the inane comments about MSRP, shipping times, why you only have certain colors/sizes etc... I've tried explaining MSRP, MAP, Street Price/Retail Price in several different discussions as well as the general business model/paradigm of obtaining the products that are dropped here. It only led to inflammatory responses by people claiming what you do with MSRP is similar to what Kohls did with "sales" (in which they claimed a regular price that they had never offered the product at to create a false sense of savings). I agree MSRP is standardized and typically easily cross-referenced but it confuses the living crap out of the laymen that lack the education regarding pricing models and the desire to do some research. You and the rest of the team were extremely responsive in the two instances I've seen where a MSRP was in fact incorrect. I've also seen the team "cave-in" to vehement posters who were out and out wrong but refused to back down.
A lot of the times I feel Mark Twain was spot on when he said, " Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you to their level and beat you with experience."
Thanks for soliciting the input, I will continue to be a customer... just not sure how much longer I will continue to post if the discussion is going to be nothing but people arguing about MSRP, shipping times that haven't changed since the drop was listed and the personal attacks/political agendas.
Apr 12, 2017
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