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Anzial
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Jun 19, 2018
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This is prolly one of those "designed in Italy, made in china" suits
cisco245
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Jun 19, 2018
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AnzialI don't see the point of getting this anyways at this price, might as well get a tailored one to you body. You'll most probably pay the same.
brie
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Jun 19, 2018
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cisco245The quality on these suits seem to be very good - I don't think you can purchase a MTM of the same quality at this price. Here's a review from dappered:
https://dappered.com/2016/01/in-review-spier-and-mackay-contemporary-fit-suit/ https://dappered.com/2018/06/in-review-the-spier-mackay-slim-fit-suit/
https://dappered.com/2016/01/in-review-spier-and-mackay-contemporary-fit-suit/ https://dappered.com/2018/06/in-review-the-spier-mackay-slim-fit-suit/
cisco245
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Jun 19, 2018
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LLLet me rephrase please if I'm gonna pay this much money anyways might as well get a tailored one. Let say I get this for $325 and choose a size ht I think will fit close to me, what are the chances that ill end up having that tailored as well? I'd rather spend more money on a tailored suit than spend $300 on a suit that just come off the rack.
iambongo
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Jun 19, 2018
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cisco245You are very obviously unaware of what a MTM suit costs. At $300, even an extra $100 would be no where close to how expensive a decent quality MTM suit goes for. Even your sentence "this is not a tailored suit" shows your ignorance, because that literally doesn't mean anything. Are you talking about an off-the-rack suit that you specifically tailor, or do you mean a MTM suit that is tailored specifically to fit you?
Brie is correct -- you are not.
Brie is correct -- you are not.
slaveoflord
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Jun 19, 2018
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AnzialI believe they're designed by a Canadian and made in China. Keep in mind that SuitSupply (which Spier and Mackay competes with in a similar price range) also makes excellent quality suits in China for a very reasonable price. Neither of these are bespoke level, but they're also much better than the stuff you'll see in the majority of department stores and sometimes even designer brands for similar/higher prices.
cisco245
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Jun 19, 2018
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iambongoI wasn't arguing with brie anyways, i'd rather have a made to measure suit than get one of the rack and spend more money getting it to a tailor to fit me.
You'll probably spend another 100 getting this tailored might as well spend another 200 to get a mtm one, yes you can get mtm suits for $500 nowadays. It does have a slightly better quality than the off the rack one but you will get the right fit your looking for.
I might be not as knowledgeable as you are when it comes to suits, but I know when and where to spend my money on a suit that will actually fit me.
Stop lording over people online.
You'll probably spend another 100 getting this tailored might as well spend another 200 to get a mtm one, yes you can get mtm suits for $500 nowadays. It does have a slightly better quality than the off the rack one but you will get the right fit your looking for.
I might be not as knowledgeable as you are when it comes to suits, but I know when and where to spend my money on a suit that will actually fit me.
Stop lording over people online.
brie
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Jun 19, 2018
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cisco245I'm not sure it's fair to call other people "lording over you" when they are simply trying to correct the statements you're making.
I have a points I'd like to throw back to you. Probably the most well known online MTM company I can compare to is Indochino where you can get a suit for around $400 so I'll use them as my basis for MTM suits.
The fit and finish of S&M suits are much better than Indochino where the quality control is usually pretty hit or miss. While both companies offer half-canvas suits, I think you get a much better wool quality with S&M. Please note that while Super numbers indicate how fine the wool strands are, it isn't indicative of wool quality. S&M uses wool from Guabello and VBC, which are extremely well-known mills, whereas I can't find any mention of the mill used for Indochino.
In addition, I think your tailoring costs are way off. I just purchased an S&M Contemporary 40S for about $325 a few weeks ago and the only tailoring I needed were taking in the waist of the pants and hemming the pants. The total came out to about $45. I'm not exactly sure where you're getting the $200 tailoring costs for, and to be honest, I think if you need $200 in tailoring, it would seem like you ordered the wrong size jacket and needed shoulder work done.
I think what most people want to say is, yeah these suits aren't a perfect fit like MTM suits are, but in reality, most people don't need a custom suit. I have extremely broad shoulders and a large chest compared to my waist and I don't even require MTM (42" chest and 32" waist).
In short, the materials and build quality for these S&M suits are fantastic. You're not gonna find any comparable suits in the same price range. Even with the added tailoring costs, you're getting a better suit for a cheaper price than most, if not all, MTM brands.
EDIT: I would like to add that the biggest drawback here is that Massdrop doesn't accept returns so you should really only buy if you know your own size. You could maybe email S&M customer support but I'm not sure if they would let you exchange sizes.
I have a points I'd like to throw back to you. Probably the most well known online MTM company I can compare to is Indochino where you can get a suit for around $400 so I'll use them as my basis for MTM suits.
The fit and finish of S&M suits are much better than Indochino where the quality control is usually pretty hit or miss. While both companies offer half-canvas suits, I think you get a much better wool quality with S&M. Please note that while Super numbers indicate how fine the wool strands are, it isn't indicative of wool quality. S&M uses wool from Guabello and VBC, which are extremely well-known mills, whereas I can't find any mention of the mill used for Indochino.
In addition, I think your tailoring costs are way off. I just purchased an S&M Contemporary 40S for about $325 a few weeks ago and the only tailoring I needed were taking in the waist of the pants and hemming the pants. The total came out to about $45. I'm not exactly sure where you're getting the $200 tailoring costs for, and to be honest, I think if you need $200 in tailoring, it would seem like you ordered the wrong size jacket and needed shoulder work done.
I think what most people want to say is, yeah these suits aren't a perfect fit like MTM suits are, but in reality, most people don't need a custom suit. I have extremely broad shoulders and a large chest compared to my waist and I don't even require MTM (42" chest and 32" waist).
In short, the materials and build quality for these S&M suits are fantastic. You're not gonna find any comparable suits in the same price range. Even with the added tailoring costs, you're getting a better suit for a cheaper price than most, if not all, MTM brands.
EDIT: I would like to add that the biggest drawback here is that Massdrop doesn't accept returns so you should really only buy if you know your own size. You could maybe email S&M customer support but I'm not sure if they would let you exchange sizes.
jloopy212
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Jun 19, 2018
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cisco245There's a lot of misinformation in this thread, mostly centered around fitting/tailoring and construction.
Let's start with the extremes - an off-the-rack ("OTR") suit is one that is purchased in standard sizes and will require tailoring. A bespoke suit is a fully custom fit based on a personal pattern created for you - all tailoring is completed before it's in hand. One thing that has become popular in the last decade or so is made-to-measure ("MTM"), which is really just a method of construction that involves assembling a bunch of off-the-rack suit components (i.e. sleeves, yoke, lapels, etc) of different sizes
Two things that are important to clarify:
1. There is no difference between a MTM suit and a properly tailored off-the-rack suit in terms of fit. 2. A MTM suit is not in the same universe as a bespoke suit in terms of fit.
The thing is that fit is just one component, construction and materials are at least as big of a factor. A $500 MTM suit is going to compromise on quality - fused construction and poor cloth are the biggest culprits in my experience. I have suits from more or less every MTM place (Indochino, MySuit, Black Lapel, Thick as Thieves, etc.) and ultimately they all fell far short.
To give a straightforward comparison, my OTR Suit Supply basic that I picked up for ~$500 (including tailoring) is roughly on par with my ~$800 Black Lapel MTM.
MTM is really just not for an inexperienced suit shopper - even for me (I own 12+ suits) it's very difficult to find good price/quality from any of the typical places. If you're looking at your first suit, you're simply much better off buying something of good quality and construction off-the-rack and getting it tailored.
Let's start with the extremes - an off-the-rack ("OTR") suit is one that is purchased in standard sizes and will require tailoring. A bespoke suit is a fully custom fit based on a personal pattern created for you - all tailoring is completed before it's in hand. One thing that has become popular in the last decade or so is made-to-measure ("MTM"), which is really just a method of construction that involves assembling a bunch of off-the-rack suit components (i.e. sleeves, yoke, lapels, etc) of different sizes
Two things that are important to clarify:
1. There is no difference between a MTM suit and a properly tailored off-the-rack suit in terms of fit. 2. A MTM suit is not in the same universe as a bespoke suit in terms of fit.
The thing is that fit is just one component, construction and materials are at least as big of a factor. A $500 MTM suit is going to compromise on quality - fused construction and poor cloth are the biggest culprits in my experience. I have suits from more or less every MTM place (Indochino, MySuit, Black Lapel, Thick as Thieves, etc.) and ultimately they all fell far short.
To give a straightforward comparison, my OTR Suit Supply basic that I picked up for ~$500 (including tailoring) is roughly on par with my ~$800 Black Lapel MTM.
MTM is really just not for an inexperienced suit shopper - even for me (I own 12+ suits) it's very difficult to find good price/quality from any of the typical places. If you're looking at your first suit, you're simply much better off buying something of good quality and construction off-the-rack and getting it tailored.
RKSM
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Spier & Mackay
Jun 19, 2018
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AnzialDesigned in Toronto, Canada. Made with Super 120's Australian Merino Wool, milled by Guabello in Biella, Italy. Lining is 100% Bemberg from Japan. Shoulder pads are from Germany. Canvas and chest piece are from Italy. All cut, sewn and finished by a Zegna owned factory in China. I would say, more of a Globally made suit.
Anzial
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Jun 20, 2018
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RKSMParts maybe sourced globally but it's still made in China. I mean, shoulder pads and fabric doesn't make the suit, it's cutting and sewing that counts the most, and that's the part is done in China. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and there are plenty of Chinese immigrants making suits in Italy proper lol.
sin3
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Jun 20, 2018
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LLhttps://www.josbank.com seriously if you live in NYC this isnt much of a deal. This
There are custom suit makers who will literally take your measurements and build the suit to fit
Hell I can tell you where to get 700-900 suits for $300 and then have them tailored.
Personally I like Hugo Boss after seeing swatches of fabric they sell these shops.
There are custom suit makers who will literally take your measurements and build the suit to fit
Hell I can tell you where to get 700-900 suits for $300 and then have them tailored.
Personally I like Hugo Boss after seeing swatches of fabric they sell these shops.
nydan312
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Jun 21, 2018
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sin3LOL @
JBank. Not comparable at all. Will leave you with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_HioMN_NI
solsticem
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Jun 21, 2018
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sin3LOL Did you just compare MTM to JAB? Needed this laugh this morning
vicente_linstead
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Mar 7, 2019
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cisco245you must be fun at party, where can you get a half canvas MTM suit of good quality materials at that price point. Don't say some corners in Asia or any other developing countries, if you do you are making yourself sillier.
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