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Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 6, 2021
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Well look at that. I’m trying to think of worse ways to flush $350 down the drain, but I’m pretty sure you could film yourself actually flushing $350 down the drain, post it on YouTube and make some money back in ad revenue.
I have no choice but to conclude this watch is a worse value than literally flushing money down the toilet.
Oh, it’s also ugly.
RayF
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Feb 6, 2021
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Watchyoutalkingabout
UGLY?!!!
Ha, this from a guy who bought a Aquacy Hei Matau?
And stop it--there's absolutely nothing at all wrong with the movement; keeps time, lasts forever, has useful Day/Date complications. They're so good, even Seiko uses 'em!
Can't say too much about the fit and finish without one in-hand, but if it's anything close to a Vostok-Europe, it would be plenty good enough.
Surprised you didn't mention that it only comes with a mineral crystal--like 80% of the world's sub $500 watches (several of which I own, and none of which have any scratches, by the way), but that's not really deal breaker in and of itself.
Nope, can't agree with your synopsis--sounds like yet another of your rationalization/justifications for having spent too much on a Rolex.
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Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 6, 2021
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RayFI returned the Aquacy due to....
wait for it.....
poor quality control. The lume on the bezel looked like a sorority girl’s makeup after a night of drinking. Also didn’t help that the owners were a bunch of twits.
And ive got nothing against the NH series movements from Seiko. I’m just against paying more than $50 or so for it unless it’s in an actual Seiko watch.
$50 on amazon. Have the black dial one as well. Great for seeing how I’d like wearing my Submariner
RayF
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Feb 6, 2021
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Watchyoutalkingabout
Pretty sure most people would like to pay less than $300 or $400 for a Seiko with a NH36 movement in it.
Problem for a lot of people, is that you have to buy an Invicta to do it. And to get the Invicta you're wearing for fifty bucks, you either have to catch Amazon in a very good mood, or buy the quartz version instead.
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JAone
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Feb 7, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutNot my cup of tea. But I am interested in your opinion on a watch or two I am not too fat away from ordering. One of the wathces I know that Rayf is a fan The watches in question are Steinharts; Ocean one GMT titanium premium 42 mm , and the new Nav B. 42 mm chrono pilot watch,either black or blue. Altough i appreciate your opions on the quality of many more expensive makes, but alas I like a few to chose from and I am still waiting for the lotto win to be able to add Rolex,Panerai,Audersmans, etc to my meager collection. Regards.
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 8, 2021
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JAoneThat’s an easy one for me, I’d go with ocean titanium 42. Sure, it copies heavily from a Batman but does enough different to distinguish itself. Titanium, a non-Mercedes handset, and a lumed ceramic bezel. I believe @RayF has one.
The Nav B looks like a lot of other valjoux no date chronos out there, and is 16 mm thick compared to the Gmt’s 13mm. It’s also almost $1,000 on gnomon watches vs $706 for the steinhart.
If you’re looking at those two watches and you’re spending up to $1k new, I just can’t help myself.
What you’re really looking for is a Tudor Black Bay GMT or an IWC Pilot/Portuguese.
Let’s compare the GMTs. The steinhart is a great watch, but it’s not going to be your first or second or even your third watch in your collection. It’s a great value for $700, but it’s $700 you’ll never see again. It’s a cool watch, but it’s your standard eta/selitta caller gmt wrapped in titanium.
The retail price of the Tudor Black Bay GMT is $4,050 on the steel bracelet. Less on the strap. That’s basically 4-6 watches at the level of the Steinharts you’re looking at. Now go take a look at Chrono24 for Tudor Black Bay to see how much of you’re hard earned cash would be recupable if you ever had to sell. You’re also getting the same true gmt movement I have my in my root beer at 1/4 of the price. Rolex will never admit it, but they used the black Bay to test out their next gen movements. Next, ask yourself how likely you are to buy 6 more watches. Be honest. Watch collecting is a disease, and it only gets more expensive.
I could give you the same breakdown of the Nav-B vs an IWC albeit the numbers are a bit worse. IWC is a bit more expensive new and takes a bigger hit on resale, so you’d want to go pre-owned there.
Since you got me on a GMT kick, check out the Mido Ocean Star GMT (on gnomon as well). It’s a true gmt (jumpable local hour hand) based on the eta caliber 80. You get 80 hours of power reserve at 21,600 vph.
There’s also a Hamilton GMT on sale for $449 over at shopworn. Pretty sure that’s the cheapest Swiss made gmt on the internet right now. They have a Hamilton Chrono for $685 as well.
Happy hunting and good luck!
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RayF
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Feb 8, 2021
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Watchyoutalkingabout
Two things I agree with you on here:
No doubt the Steinharts are nice watches, but they cost too much--especially as GMTs. That's a novelty function no one truly needs in this day and age, and truthfully few people actually use--even after they've paid for it.
I disagree with you on the Black Bay GMT for the same reason, and because they're stupid expensive. Stupid expensive because price-wise, they're aimed at guys who'd buy more expensive watches if they could, but are settling for midrange Tudors because that's all they've got. It would be doubly stupid if they didn't have that much and put it put it on a credit card. Tudor's are nice (I'm pretty crazy about that mat blue dial Pelagos), but they're seldom anybodies truly first choice.
It's also worth remembering IWCs, Rolexs and Tudors don't do anything your other watches don't already do. There is a point when "watch collecting" stops being watches for you, and crosses over into look what I have. That's not a hobby, that's an issue and it affects all collectors from watches, to stamps to coins to cars (and evidently sneakers and handbags now too),
I also disagree with your statement that I have a Titanium, a non-Mercedes handset, with a lumed ceramic bezel.
I have an Ocean 1 Black GMT, with Mercedes hands, and a non-lumed, ceramic bezel.
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JAone
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Feb 8, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutI do like the Mido ocean star GMT usually around the $1000 usd. mark could be a contender, they have a lot of chronometer tested watches and the quality seems good. Obviously a lot cheaper than Rolex, IWC and company, but with reasonably high quality. I do like the Steinhart, but probably for the wrong practical reason: - I fancy another Titanium watch, 23 years ago I bought a really nice Citizen chronograph eco-drive titanium watch on bracelet; and it became my longest serving watch at 12 years!! I don't like any of the Citizen range at present, they do have a titanium diver GMT, can be bought for $280 usd.or so on special ,but it is overly thick. Thanks for your input and Rayf's, I will make more enquiries about the Mido!!
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 8, 2021
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JAone@RayF brings up a good point in that Tudor is often seen as Rolex’s slightly less hot sister, but if you don’t care what other people think then that shouldn’t matter. No one really notices any of my Rolexes except, well, other guys with Rolexes.
I do disagree about the movement though.
The big jump in cost from a 2nd from the top ETA/Selitta movement (non-chronometer) to the Tudor is most definitely worth it. They’re incredibly robust, over-engineered movements that are designed from a blank sheet to be movements that can take pretty much anything you throw at it, and last SEVERAL lifetimes. They’re not bespoke, high end movements in a horological sense. They are thoroughbreds compared to the workhorse that is an eta (or the future glue factory that is a Seiko). It’s a true, honest, high end movement. It’s why you can easily find videos of those movements looking like little more than piles of rust and being restored to full glory. To be fair, I’ve also seen that with 7750s since they’re that tough.
And if it’s titanium your after, the Pelagos is it. There’s even a left hand crown pelagos that I think will actually appreciate in value over the years.
You’ll like the steinhart or the mido, and they’ll be very nice watches. But you will love the Tudor. And if you’re at the $1,000 level then believe me, you really aren’t that far off. Before you pull the trigger on that $1,000 mark, you owe it to yourself to hop on YouTube and watch some reviews on the Pelagos. Watchfinder & co has a few good ones if I recall.
JAone
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Feb 8, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutI will have a look at the "Pelagos". Thanks..... Had a look seems average price is over $5000 aud. or $3500 usd. unless you buy from"Wish" LOL. But, although a nice watch and undoubtedly high quality; I do find the aesthetics of the Steinhart GMT titanium more appealing.
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RayF
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Feb 8, 2021
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Watchyoutalkingabout
“...if you don’t care what other people think then that shouldn’t matter.”
Stop it—I only know one guy who bought a Tudor because he appreciates the quality, workmanship and value the brand offers—and he probably wouldn’t wear a Rolex, if he found one on the street!
Everybody else buys four and five figure watches precisely because they do care what everyone thinks!
I bought my Heritor for the same reason ;- )
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 8, 2021
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RayFSo yes, some people buy it specifically for the ‘flex’, as the kids would say.
I can only speak for myself, but purchasing my first Rolex did legitimately open doors for me. I work in finance and I’m still under 40, so I’m surrounded by Rolexes, Patek’s, and APs on the daily. Most of them are just for showing off, but one of the head guys at my firm is a true watchhead. When I showed him my Yachtmaster, he congratulated me and said I should be proud. I thought that was a bit odd but took the compliment and moved on.
That was a few years ago. Since that time, I’ve been promoted. I have my office, my own assistant, and a team underneath me now. And I have no doubts that the watch played a role. It showed my boss I wasn’t just some kid, and for whatever reason made him feel more comfortable giving me higher level responsibilities.
Im not saying it’s right or that we should judge people by their possessions, but as a species we do. I happen to work in an industry where being able to afford a high level watch is seen as a mark of financial success and fiscal responsibility. It allowed me to speak to my seniors around me as basically an equal. I was ‘in the club’, so to speak. I obviously had to do the work to back it up, but the watch gave me an ‘in’.
It’s only a sample size of one (me) but I’ve actually heard some similar stories on the Rolex & Tudor forums. Probably doesn’t apply if you work in the arts, for example. It may even be seen as a negative.
I think both you and @JAone should get a right and left handed Pelagos.
RayF
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Feb 8, 2021
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Watchyoutalkingabout
Well that's certainly an interesting story, and congratulations on your promotion.
I can tell you I have not had the same experience with my Heritor Edgard. I work as a free-lance, exotic dancer here in Las Vegas, and when I wear that watch on stage, all I ever hear is: "Take it off, take it off!!!"
Ruffians! What do they know about watches?!
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JAone
999
Feb 9, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutSorry, but where I come from in the U.K. there are different schools of thought about Rolex, most of them not flattering!!! Terms like "Wide-boy", "Criminal","Flash-harry", :False", "Copy","Tiny Penis", etc .etc. Which in no way reflects on the quality of the watch. If anything the purchase of an "over-priced" object well above your station in life is seen as "butt-licking"!!! Probably unfair in many respects, certainly not applicable to yourself. But I suppose there are snippets of society where it may be accepted as you have described. I have never been in the boys club ,even when invited, always thought of them as weak minded easily manipulated dickheads! But that's another story. What I have worn or possessed has never got me anywhere, but hard work and results have. In fact at one time riding a quite large and flashy motorbike, "back in the day" did bring down criticism from my bosses; as it didn't fit with the profile of that particular job!! Unfortunately we are judged by appearance, and what we wear/possess is part of that judgement process. Probably why I tend to like quality watches that kinda look like the "market Leaders', but are not, and can been seen as value for money sensible products.Unlike Rayf I have never been to Vegas, in fact it has been a very,very long time since anyone asked me to "Take anything off"!! We all have our crosses to bear.
JAone
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Feb 9, 2021
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RayFYou could be right!! But the Oris I have bought is for my 18 year old, on his birthday. I do quite like the value of the GMT titanium Steinhart. In the mean time I also ordered a cute little Monchard Flieger style aviator; on sale of course. Intervention sounds like it is needed, but not looking forward to the "cold turkey withdrawal effects"!!!
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 9, 2021
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JAoneAhahaha wideboy, that one takes me back.
So in college, we used to start our pre-game around 8 pm eastern standard time and head out around 10-11pm. My friends and I all played counter strike, an old computer game, while
we were drinking.
Over in your neck of the woods, it was 1-3 am and you were all already sauced and back home playing the same games. It was the greatest of cultural exchanges, as you can imagine.
I distinctly remember being told one time over voice chat that me mum was an ugly old bird who got shagged by wideboys.
JAone
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Feb 9, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutThose were the days; but correct me if I am wrong -- it was "Space Invaders' on the computer game!! I wasn't good enough so I stuck to pinball; couldn't afford one of those "rich-boy" watches to balance my wrist for the game!!
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 9, 2021
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RayFWe have a term for that.
‘Servicing’ the account. Also known as Tuesdays.
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 9, 2021
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JAoneCounter Strike was basically the first ‘call of duty’. Still played today, current version is called CS:GO.
The best part was being able to play play with people all across the world and learn the different ways they speak. Took me a while to realize why South Americans used JaJaJa instead of hahaha. Playing with Aussies was always a hysterical trip, they have such great cuss words. And of course the Brits, who loved to take the piss out of a yank like me. The good old days
JAone
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Feb 10, 2021
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WatchyoutalkingaboutYou are a bad influence, I spent a while last night looking at a Rolex Explorer II, The one with the white colour dial, and the 24 GMT markers etched in the steel bezel; and it comes in a 42 mm dia ,with a 48 hour power reserve, almost perfect for me. Even the $11,700.00 aud. price was not totally prohibitive. but it was late and I was probably ; to use a current Aussie term:-- "Dreaming"!!! I should stick to pinball machines and $500 watches I think. I am surprised the Brits would take the piss out of the Yanks, I mean after all without them the Brits would now be speaking German!!
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