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waltpacker
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Sep 30, 2015
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seriously? you want $38 for an empty can, some chicken wire, and a piece of flashing..... Anyone that buys this is an idiot.
Sep 30, 2015
onehappycampster
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Sep 30, 2015
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Alright...the empty can is actually TIG welded double wall titanium. Make it yourself and post some photos. Let's see it...
Sep 30, 2015
Sitwon
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Sep 30, 2015
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It's not challenging at all to make an alcohol stove (even a double-walled model) in just minutes from an aluminum can or two (get them for free out of the garbage). There are hundreds of videos and tutorials all over the place on how to do it. Yes, that's aluminum, not titanium. For this application titanium adds no practical value, only cost.
Here's a good place to start: http://zenstoves.net/
Sep 30, 2015
onehappycampster
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Sep 30, 2015
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True that it is heavier than soda can stoves. The siphon is still lightweight yet robust. While I have build dozens of the soda can stoves, a true stovie can never have too many. Some UL hikers carry no stove system at all. It can go to either extreme and still be considered lightweight.
Sep 30, 2015
scope
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Oct 1, 2015
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Um, I would consider buying this, so thanks for calling me an idiot waltpacker. Its a set, which if you're in need of a set, the price is ballpark anyway for just about any purchased stove/pot set. Titanium does have features that add practical value. Personally, I like the fact that titanium cools down much faster, and is sturdier than most aluminum "cans". The fact that its double wall only adds to both the application value, and the cost - debatable worth there, but its a feature that could be worth it in a cold environment.
Folks, if you're going to post negatively about something, have some perspective about what its designed for and limit criticism to specifics. In today's world of $3 coffee, complaining that someone is trying to sell a titanium set of anything for $38 is truly idiotic. Fair enough to say you can make a can stove for next to nothing, but its really not the same thing as this set. Might be to you, but a little self-centered to say it is to everyone.
Oct 1, 2015
waltpacker
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Oct 1, 2015
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As someone that does cook on alcohol stoves all the time, this "deal" is a sham. This stove is nothing but a cup with a piece of chicken wire and some flashing. I've tried this type of setup before, and it's very inefficient by weight, storage, and efficiency.
If you think you're saving weight on titanium, you're not. You'll have to carry more fuel because a cup of burning alcohol is really inefficient, so you are gaining weight in fuel, which in a stove system far outweighs the can whether it's Ti, or Al. Also, you're carrying the weight and bulk of the chicken wire, and the flashing. In most can stoves, you can rest the cook pot directly on the can, so you eliminate the weight and need for the stand/chicken wire. And a piece of aluminum foil is lighter, and more compactable than the flashing, so you can fit your stove, the fuel, and the flashing inside your cook pot to save space.
Seriously.. do some research. Go to youtube, and look for hiram cook. He does TONS of tests on various designs of alcohol stoves, all of which will work better than a cup and are made from recycled materials for free. The can stoves are stupid easy to make, or if you're really lazy you can buy them on ebay for like $5.
As far as cooling down. my aluminum can stove cools to the touch about 45-60 seconds after its burned out. Do you need it to cool faster than 60 seconds? You're not even done eating or drinking what ever you cooked by then.
Oct 1, 2015
scope
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At the very least, waltpacker, you stated something of specific interest that is worthwhile - the fact that you've used a similar setup that your experience says this style is inefficient. That is fair criticism. I just don't appreciate your condescending style of making your opinion known. That, and as raptelan pointed out, not all of your arguments add up to truth.
Oct 1, 2015
Pulsar
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Jun 3, 2019
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This isn't just a cup. It's double walled and works sort of like a trangia. You light the "cup" and it heats the inner chamber, pressurizing it, and vaporizes the alcohol inside that chamber. Once the Jets ignite, the center goes out, like a trangia. I will agree, the pot stand is kind of ghetto. I would just want the burner. And hoping they bring the drop back since I missed it
Jun 3, 2019
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