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derhp
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May 13, 2019
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Does this really have a standard headphone jack? Too bad, would probably get this if it had a 1/4" jack...
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derhp
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May 14, 2019
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BluJay614mostly because I have a pair of headphones that only has a 1/4" jack with a non-removable cable. Even though most headphones have a 1/8" jack, it's easy and not very cumbersome to use an adapter(plus 99% of 'good' headphones come with one). But the 1/4" to 1/8" adapters are really big and cumbersome, not to mention they bend super easily from any trips / accidents. Don't see any benefits to a 1/8" jack unless it's on a portable device.
kreatif
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May 16, 2019
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JJayJJI actually feel the same as 3.5mm / 1/8inch adapters are much more prone to mechanical damage in comparison to the 1/4 inch one. I often times forget that I have my headphones on and just stand up and try to walk away - in this case, the 1/4 is solid enough to not break/bend whereas I already managed to kill a pair of headphones with 1/8 inch adapter this way.. :]
verifonix
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May 16, 2019
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kreatifJust get a cable adapter instead of a physical stub one. It will relieve the stress on the connector.
Not that hard of a solution guys
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derhp
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May 23, 2019
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verifonixI know, and if this was a really good value or "best in it's class" or something like that than I wouldn't mind getting an a adapter or something to make it work. As far as I know, however it's "just another ~$200 dac/amp" and the only reason I liked it in the first place was the looks, the screen specifically I thought was kind of cool, but I'm sure I can find another product in this price range that's equal to or better than this in terms of sound quality with good looks and a 1/4" jack.
derhp
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May 23, 2019
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JJayJJidk what to say really, my first headphones were some Sennheiser hd558 (I think) and they had a super long cable that was only 1/4", and it came with an adapter that I bent rather quickly, and while it still worked it was super annoying using that bent adapter for like 2-3 years.
JJayJJ
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May 23, 2019
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derhpI can fully agree mechanically the 1/4th is more sturdy.
But your claim of “oh I can find a better at this price range” is not possible currently. Not with the features and build materials this offers. And this thing has been scientifically measured for performance, it’s essentially almost audibly transparent, it’s an insane value especially for features like a screen + remote + Bluetooth input which many others completely lack all three of these.
The only problem with this, is some users have had their devices stop working. But aside from that, for what you get, in such a footprint, nothing comes close in such a package especially at this performance level.
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verifonix
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May 23, 2019
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derhpThis thing is quite literally, "best in its class", 100%. I can't think of a single better product.
OrcaBrigade
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Jun 5, 2019
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derhpI use a 1/8 male to 1/4 female adapter with no issues at all. There are a ton of options out there for just about any way you want it to work. I got a rather decent one and get no issues at all with the adapter.
Although I am with you albeit, I wish they had included a 2.5mm balanced for the increased power output alone, a 1/8 jack, and a 1/4 jack. I like options, but at the very least I think they missed out on some brownie points for not giving us both options and/or including an adapter in the box.
JJayJJ
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Jun 5, 2019
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OrcaBrigade**Good new for you at the end of this post**
For the price, you're reaching - seeing as nothing else comes close to the offering.
Also 2.5mm balanced? The device isn't balanced, but also this is pointless regardless. Are you truly running 100% volume on your source as well as 0dbFS on the Topping where you feel you need "more power"?
On HD 6XX, if I max out all the volumes, I feel like me ears are about to cease functioning if I listen to the audio being played for a few seconds at those level. So not particularly aware of why anyone would require more power >_<
But I agree, a normal quarter inch to 3.5mm male adapter would be nice. But again, I literally think they're at the brink of making a decent profit with this device.
**good news portion**
If you need balanced by the way, there is the Topping DX7 Pro. It has literally what you wanted :-)
I timestamped the video for you, so just click play, and it will show you everything you need to know about it.
Check it out: https://youtu.be/tWUdBRJ-Q2A?t=2946
OrcaBrigade
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Jun 5, 2019
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JJayJJYes, 2.5mm balanced. You can get the power output increase benefit from a balanced out, even if the input isn't balanced. From what I have tested so far on my Loxjie P20 hybrid tube amp. I have line in on it via the rca, then I got an xlr-4 to 2.5mm balanced and tried out some of my balanced gear. I got much higher output than with the single ended output.
Was it true balanced? No... not at all and I realize this completely. I found it as a means to an end for certain use cases. That and I like experimentation, so I figured why the hell not try. Turns out it gets results, even if the end point is more or less moot.
I will agree with you though, at this price range, specifically what it's being offered for on Drop. I can see how they might actually be getting pennies compared to dollars versus the 200+ usd they want from amazon purchases.
But yes, with my fostex t50rp mk3 cans, I DO max the shit out of this amp on high gain. And It just doesn't get SCREAMING loud, just... kinda screaming... Although on literally everything else it I own it gets more than loud enough for my tastes. I found a few tricks to make the power hungry t50's calm the fuck down a little. In the end the only thing I have that will power them somethin' proper is my liquid spark from monolith. (lovely warm amp by the way.)
I digress, I do not agree that they cannot include several usd worth of material to offer a 1/4 jack alongside a 1/8 jack. Hell, just go with a single 1/4 jack and include an adapter or two. Same approximate cost, really... well as far as I can figure.
But a balanced out for the sake of higher output is pushing it, I get that. A man can dream though, can't he? Speaking of, I only mentioned 2.5mm as it was the lowest cost I could think of.
The topping DX7 is a nice device, although the full balanced is hella over priced on that. I don't understand why companies think they can charge out the ass for a full balanced amp or damp (dac amp combo, don't judge me.)
The DX7 pro looks sick though, I still wish they wouldn't charge out the ass for balanced... then again most companies usually include much better guts on their balanced devices. I believe it's due to balanced being able to really show where an amp and/or dac are failing you as a core device. So maybe that's why?
Nice vid, I appreciate the link! I watched it and am excited for some of the new gear yet to get announced. The possibilities are boundless.
JJayJJ
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Jun 5, 2019
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OrcaBrigadeYeah, the DX7 Pro looks to be a great contender, and will also I believe be end-game for many people who want to also use balanced (it has 2.5mm, XLR, and a regular quarter-inch I believe that probably isn't balanced, but I'm not sure).
But I agree, and I think I mentioned in my first reply, a simple adapter would have been nice with the DX3 Pro.
Though I am still confused about the comment you made earlier about requiring more power. Even if not balanced it still can push more power (that we agree on). But even if power is the desire, what would be the purpose since my ears bleed at the DX3 Pro maxed?
OrcaBrigade
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Jun 5, 2019
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JJayJJtldr at bottom.
With the kinds of music I listen to, preferring darker more subdued tones hence why I love my lcd2c and m1060c opened. I enjoy the sub bass' ability to give LFE tactility when cranked. The dx3 pro just doesn't have that kind of power for the t50, but for everything else it does.
So I believe we can agree that the dx3 pro at this price, and arguably at the full retail price it's still a great buy.
But for fans of t50 mods and t50 stock there just isn't enough umph.
Hence why I brought balanced into the equation. Even if you don't get the full benefits of balanced, from what I understand of the mechanics, it will still output a LOT more power to the headphones. Again from what I understand of the mechanics, this is due to the design of how balanced works to begin with. So an output to the desired headphone can be increased by... what aaallllmost 1.5-2 times? So in the case of my t50 usage balanced out to a modded pair of t50's would be great. It would allow for better power flow from the amp to the cans.
Now I could have this all ass backwards, but with my testing on another amp, it all came up precisely how I was figuring it to be.
tldr; dx3 pro still a solid buy, but for super power hungry and/or inefficient things it can't do it with out some extra help. Hence my tangent.
JJayJJ
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Jun 6, 2019
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OrcaBrigadeOooh, so you are actually running into a power limit with those T50 mods, and such? I had no idea they were that power hungry. Now I understand, thanks for clearing that up.
Also love the LCD2C's :) wish the headband design was completely different (hotspot nonsense), aside from that, the sound is lovely.
OrcaBrigade
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Jun 6, 2019
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JJayJJOh yeah, I most certainly am getting a power issue (on just the T##RP mk3 line of cans).
Granted I like my music loud some of the time... most of the time? I dunno, but more often than not I am cranking the dx3 pro to the max with high gain just to get what I would call enjoyably loud volume for something I just wanna lose myself in.
The T##RP mk3 series of cans are kind of a meme in how hard they are to drive. It's a joke but still quite the reality. I believe it's more due to the fact that it's just an inefficient and poorly designed driver. As my note8 can power my m1060c open or closed and also my lcd2c cans no problem. The lcd2c being a decent bit more efficient than the m1060c. With my new lg v50, I can get both of them pretty damn loud now, thanks to the quad dac built in.
But yeah, seeing as the mods of the T##RP mk3 series use the very same driver, they are all limited by that. Now once you power them properly they can sound pretty damn good. I use my Topping D10 dac and Monolith Liquid Spark amp to make those cans just fucking SING! I even found a great way to darken the sound, get some brainwavz micro suede xl rounds. Then rather than put the retaining lip into the little slot, slide it over the back of the cup and entirely encase it up to the raised blocky looking part. I ended up getting a bit better lows and mids from it while also getting back some efficiency.
I believe some of the sound was being lost due to leakage from that small seam where the retaining lip of the ear pad would slide into. That or it's now being allowed to act like a more sealed off enclosure and potentially allowing the driver to "bounce back" into the resting position after being moved.
I know the t50's I have are semi open back but upon further inspection of the rear of the driver, I notice that there is a micro cloth along the back of it. So that could very well be acting like a restrictive force to sort of close it off some. Or it could be used as a wave guide to force more of the sound production into a desired direction.
I am not entirely sure... I lack the knowledge and tools to decipher this enigma. But I do know that I like them now, I love my m1060c after opening them up, and I REALLY LOVE my lcd2c.
Speaking of the lcd2c, I am noticing that the strap is beginning to stretch just a smidgun... And leather working or any cloth working is relatively easy. But get some leather or what have you that you like. Unscrew the strap from the can, trace out everything you like about it and cut it from the material you bought.
Then trim that 'sumbitch down and BOOM! You have a brand new strap of your desired material, design, and length. Don't forget, for about 30 usd you can purchase extended yoke rods from them to give you some more length and allow that shorter strap to really do its thing moe bettuh.
And no, thank you for engaging me with really enjoyable conversation, mang. I really enjoyed being able to get my point across to someone that was willing to pay attention to what I was saying, and what I have learned in my tests. Rather than just calling me unsavory things and fucking off.
Totally digressed from the discussion about this product, eh? Well, I still stand by this product. I love using my lcd2c and my m1060c cans on it, and by the powers that be! This damp is fucking brilliant for IEM usage as well! Keep that in mind, bud. A-and anyone else who has the moxie to have read every comment to this point. XD
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