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TuyaKnife Shuriken M390 Titanium Frame Lock Knife
unqualifiedopinion
3
Jun 25, 2020
Inlayed version of this OEM knife for those interested.
https://www.factorequipment.com/product/knives/factor-absolute-series-large-titanium-folder/
bdpf
233
Jun 25, 2020
unqualifiedopinionI know about the Tuya and also know about the Factory equipment version.
However, the original OEM is not Factory Equipment.
This is an original design from a pretty well known cloner called Dicoria. This knife was caller Maker 3 and was sold about a year or 2 before the Factory Equipment version and the original steel was S35VN instead of M390.
So to my knowledge, Dicoria is the original OEM.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32653543818.html?spm=2114.12057483.0.0.f2ee17c99q5ojx
Funny how some known brands use cloners factories to produce their knives, which btw I have absolutely no problem with, but it carcks me up when people bash cloners and then end up buying knives that are basically from them LOL!.
Another example of this is CKF selling their Daboia, which is an original design from another known cloner, Kevin John, and his knife is called the Venom.
VipeX
191
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfI remember when they tried dropping a Factor equipement knife on here. That was maybe 2 or 3 years ago...
Fun times: https://drop.com/buy/factor-equipment-iconic/talk#discussions
method_burger
563
Jun 25, 2020
unqualifiedopinionwait, what is this? are these companies related, or did one rip off from the other?
bdpf
233
Jun 25, 2020
VipeXOh yeah, I remember that one. But in all fairness, that is the only design that they have done that was "heavily inspired" from a "known" brand.
method_burger
563
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfwait, so they are both rip offs of anso knives?!
man, this is why i dont go to bladeforums anymore. i get super pissed off at this stuff hahaha
bdpf
233
Jun 25, 2020
method_burgerNo, the one pointed out by ViperX was a Factory Equipment knife that ressembles extremely the Giant Mouse, if looking very closely, there are some subtle differences but yeah, it's a big look-alike.
The one on this drop sold by Tuya knife is basically the same knife that Factory Equipment started to sell about a year ago which is also the same knife that Dicoria (cloner with some original designs) was selling about 2 years ago.
So the order in which they appeared in the market is Dicoria then Factory Equipment then Tuya.
My guess is that all 3 models are made at the same factory.
method_burger
563
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfi think we all need confirmation from giant mouse. if theyre getting a cut of the profit, i'm totally for it. if not... this needs to be taken down as a potential clone.
sort of feels like the vdk thing, but with more steps.
bdpf
233
Jun 25, 2020
method_burgerThe Giant Mouse thing was 3 years ago, that is not what is in this drop.
roubaix1
9
Jun 25, 2020
unqualifiedopinionI have that version- nice user medium knife- paid $95.00 new on e-bay
KenKelley
2
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfEvery time I see the same knife with different steel for the blade, I wonder what any of them really are.
method_burger
563
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfeh... i wasnt planning on buying this one anyways. i'll just sit on the sidelines with my opinions lol
DukeJockey
81
Jun 25, 2020
unqualifiedopinionThe Factor Equipment knife's blade is 3.15". The Tuyaknife's blade is 3.6".
Speaking of copycats, the Rike Knife Hummingbird's blade is only 1.5". Take a look at its blade profile, and you'll see why I brought it up.
reswright
3850
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfI have the Shuriken from Tuya; bought it about a year ago. I think it'd been available for at least a year before that. Tuya did a run of like 250 of them and apparently still have some left from that run. I'd imagine some people who would have picked one up, opted for the Factor Equipment piece instead, or otherwise just steered away because they worried it was stolen.
The way I understand it, Tuya worked with the design owner for the Shuriken, who also sold their designs to other companies. I guess it and the Talisman are the two designs Tuya's made that are also made by other people, because the designers have licensed its production with more than one company. I don't know that for sure, but it's something Dave Warren said in another thread here at Drop.
For what it's worth it's a pretty good knife with a buttery flip and very comfy ergonomics.
bdpf
233
Jun 25, 2020
reswrightMight be, and my timing in years might be wrong (I don't keep track), but I clearly remember seeing this knife at Dicoria first at least a year before the others. Then one day it was at FE, I was like hum.... Then later I saw it at Tuya, I was like humm....
Maybe it's like you said, the designer sold the design to several companies but Aliexpress and DHGate were the first platforms to showcase this knife.
reswright
3850
Jun 25, 2020
bdpfI mean, it's hard to keep track of it all. I know Tuya's had it available for a while now but the design could have easily been elsewhere already.
I only occasionally drop into places like AliExpress and DHgate, just to see what's what, so it doesn't necessarily mean anything that Tuya was the first place I ever saw the design - but it was the first place i saw it. I then saw it on Factor Eq about six months after I picked up mine... and was like 'wtf?' and started looking around and that was when I saw the Dave Warren comment about designs from designers that have licensed them to other companies.
DW1Tuya
69
Jul 3, 2020
method_burgerTuya made them for factor, It’s confusing but common. If you have any questions let me know I’ll be happy to answer. Thank you
Omniseed
1972
Oct 3, 2020
unqualifiedopinionI've got a small Absolute in my car, it's cool and good. Grind on mine is a touch thicker than some, but no worse than Kizer's Envoy, still fine
DW1Tuya
69
Oct 7, 2020
reswrightYour right, the guy who designed it designed 2 knives for Tuya, Tuya then made a version and sold it to Factor, the designer never worked for Tuya, Kevin said he just asked him for a design, you can see the others were different sizes too, it’s not the same knife but same design, no one was ripped off, they are actually cousins. There is and never was any design made by Tuya without designers being paid, and agreeing to it. They use different newer designers now like myself and Michael Etorma. Tuya has a very good track record, all materials are tested all the time in the U.S so there is no worries on materials either, I guarantee that.
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