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Vahk
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Nov 21, 2015
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Can anyone convince me why I should get this kb vs a Topre 55g, other than price? I wanted the last 55g black Topre that dropped, but didn't get in in time. Would I just be settling if I got this? Yes, I could get this and then get the next Topre drop...but would this kb then feel redundant? Is it just a "close" version of a 55g Topre that is cheaper or are there people out there that prefer this one instead or can at least verify if there's a reason to have both (other than mkbs are awesome)? Currently have an order in for a quiet pro, here.
Thanks!
Nov 21, 2015
Draxor
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Nov 21, 2015
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VahkI don't think you can compare topre to any other switch since the mechanism is entirely different
Nov 21, 2015
Vahk
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Nov 22, 2015
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DraxorFair point. So, there is a noticeable difference I assume. If you had two keyboards in front of you, day in and day out for a month, one Topre and one Matias, what percentage of the time would you use each? Just a ballpark - just looking for a general feel.
Nov 22, 2015
Seabeast
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Nov 22, 2015
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VahkI have different keyboards with different switches: Topre, Matias clicky, Cherry Blue, and Cherry Brown. Considering only keyswitches, they're all good, but I probably favor Topre, followed by Matias, then brown and blue. The Topre and Matias switches have very different sound and feel, with the Topre more of a "thunk" for each keypress, and the Matias making a sharp "clack" (I haven't tried the quiet Matias switches). But by far the bigger usability difference to me is the keyboard layout, size, connections, etc. I end up using my Matias more than Topre because it has arrow keys. And I use Cherry browns most of all, because they're in my Kinesis Advantage.
Anyway, I think the best argument for not waiting on a Topre board is that once the keyboard bug bites you're going to end up getting one of each, anyway, so you might as well scratch that Matias itch now.
Nov 22, 2015
SL75
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Nov 23, 2015
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VahkOr in my case, having been bit by the bug, buying a Topre was a mistake because I found that it doesn't fit my typing style. I eventually gave it away instead of keeping it in the collection. No doubt, Topre decks are extremely well made inside and out and actually doesn't feel overpriced considering its heft and build quality (versus a Code keyboard that started flaking in the first month). But to me, the low tactility and mushy feedback puts Topre in the same category as generic rubber domes, linears, and scissor switches. However, if you don't bottom out (that 'thunk'), Topres may be the finest quiet keyboards if you don't need substantial tactility. But I prefer not to bottom out, so Topres feel pretty vague to me, not enough feedback. I love the Matias tactile Alps variant switches for my typing style and usage pattern (more writing, less gaming). Their characteristics blend perfectly: high actuation force (65g? less fatiguing than MX green, more effort than MX blue) and high actuation point (meaning it triggers early in the stroke, not midway like Cherry, not 'somewhere down there' like Topre) means that as soon as my finger breaks through the resistance hump, the switch has activated and there is so much potential travel left in the stroke that I can release well before bottoming out. I'm not sure why some think Matias switches have less travel, I find it to be the opposite. I really fly on this switch type more than any other, its feedback inspires confidence to move on the next key. As for Click vs Quiet Pro, Click will make it sound like you're doing the work of 2 people (or 3 woodpeckers) since the upstroke is somewhat audible as well. It's more of a 'snap' than an MX 'snip'. The Quiet Pro has dampening on the down- and upstrokes, so they're quiet but not silent since Alps switches tend to have some rattle. The overall keyboard design and desktop surface will still matter in total sound level and tone. Playing with a keyswitch tester will give you an idea of how they feel, but there's no substitute for using a complete keyboard for a couple of weeks to get used to its personality before deciding what's right for you. As Seabest said, usability depends on the keyboard, not just the switches. Even now, although I no longer feel a need to explore other switch types now that I've tried Matias, I still haven't found an endgame keyboard that uses them. But I'm trying! Thanks to KBP, my third Matias is on its way. I hope as Matias switches get more popular in the market, keyboard makers will start using them in more high-end products.
Nov 23, 2015
IamMozon
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Nov 24, 2015
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VahkI think the key switches here are (unofficially) comparing themselves to Cherry's lineup. As Draxor said, Topre is a different experience. As for 'settling'... If you chose the Topre board based on the fact it had Topre switches, yes, you would certainly be settling. Howver, if you just want a good mechanical keyboard, Cherry-style keys such as these should not fail to satisfy.
Nov 24, 2015
SL75
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Nov 25, 2015
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IamMozonThese are not Cherry-style clones at all. Matias (and Fukka) switches are based on Alps. Different design, different feel, different mounts and stems. KBParadise also makes other versions of the V60 with Cherry and Cherry-clones, but those are different drops.
Nov 25, 2015
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