This is a pretty neat looking product. The original was always too big, too heavy, and to bloody expensive, plus no handles. As a mostly non-cook hiker, who does at times like to heat up some water for coffee/tea, or the rare hot meal, I like the idea of this. Could replace the PB container and little Evernew EBY265 400ml pot I usually carry. Suppose the real issue that needs to be known is what kind of pricing are you guys going to be able to work out with Vargo on this? If it is up in the $60, $70 price range, it is going to make it hard to hit that commit/buy button.
abelaThis unique version is not that lighter than the original (0.3 oz), and I don't think it's going to be cheap either, I still think is a great product though
JoomyYup, and you can't use the cozy, if so compelled.
I'm up in the air. I can see its use, but I'm not sure that I wouldn't want the BOT. Not sure if I need the handles..
Joomy>>> Joomy: This is 7 grams lighter than the 1L one
When I posted my comment above, I had no idea of the weight or price.
With the drop now happening, we get the specs and price.
Looks like it has fallen into that price point that I was hoping it would not be. (sigh/bummer)
Seven grams lighter huh. So a quarter of an ounce. Suppose that does not help much in any argument for the BOT 700 over the Original BOT, in the grand scope of things, eh, especially for 99.9% of the hikers out there.
I have spent more to save less, but not by much.
Suppose then, it is going to come down to the 1.6 inches shorter, and having handles, as the big seller points.
Still going to get one... the idea of being able to (hopefully) replace two items currently in my pack with just one, is crucial to me these days, with pack volume being so very precious.
I don't know... what are your thoughts?
abelaThere is very little material that has been removed from the original BOT to make the BOT 700, and the weight loss has been partially offset by the addition of the handles. So you're right that the advantage, therefore, is not about weight but functionality - the more compact size and handles. @abela@Joomy
DannyMilks@abela My thoughts are the same as yours. You'd be crazy to buy this in order to save weight, but maybe if you like the smaller size and handle it's worth it. That said I think the BOT works best with a cosy which doesn't play well with a handle anyway. What I am thinking of doing is making a two-part cosy, where the bottom comes off while cooking but the top stays on and functions as a handle/safe grip area. Question would be how to ensure the heat is kept away from it or maybe use a heat resistant material like carbon felt.
M_at_oIt really depends on the type of cooking you do and how much volume you need. If you are just looking at boiling water, then my favorite right now is the Evernew Ti Pasta Pot. I like the 1l but it also comes in a 750 ml. If you are going to do real cooking, then anodized AL really works better. Think of AL as a pan like you would use in your house, and Ti as something to get you as close to being on the flame as possible (heat dissipation doesn't work real well with Ti.
Just_Some_GuyMy understanding is that this isn't really true. If I remember right, the conclusion by BPL contributors has been that the Ti and Al on these pots is so thin, and the pots so small, that there isn't much difference in heat distribution between the two.
JoomyIt really depends on the particular pot, the burner, and what you're doing. Theoretically ti doesn't conduct heat as well, but that's just looking at material properties, and the comparison assumes an aluminum pot with a thicker bottom (maybe sides, too), which they generally have in the products we use. Contents of the pot in use matter a lot, too. Obviously ti does just fine with boiling and the water itself retains a lot of heat...boil times of comparable pots are negligible really. Now if you change the equation to include cooking solid foods and/or trying to simmer with a low flame (especially with a small focused burner head), then it starts to show a little more difference. Early on, when most aluminum pots were quite a bit larger and thicker on both sides and bottom, the "new" ti pots, which haven't changed appreciably since introduction other than getting smaller, there was a bit more noticeable difference. And people were also shifting towards different simpler food prep, too.
M_at_oYou could just use one of the cutting board strainer combos that come with the light my fire meal kits. They're pretty light.
Kmart was also selling a quality clone of the whole set for 5$
Did you go to Trail Days @raptelan? Did you stop and talk with Chad or Brian at the Vargo booth? I had dinner with those guys at Outdoor Retailer. Really wonderful people!
Thank you for the thoughtful followup. I agree with you regarding plastic on cookware. I'm guessing the plastic is only on the top side of the lid and on the bottom is some sort of metal rivet or screw, correct?