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SeaBass45
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Mar 25, 2017
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How is this different than the 18 dollar vorso knock off on FT? I've had the vorso knock off and my friend has the actual and there is no difference lol. I think even my bearing is better than his.
Mar 25, 2017
Bobraz
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Mar 25, 2017
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What is "FT"?
Mar 25, 2017
Miguel_Sanchez
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Mar 25, 2017
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You tell us. Maybe take some photos as proof.
Mar 25, 2017
SeaBass45
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Mar 25, 2017
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Mar 25, 2017
SeaBass45
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Mar 25, 2017
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Mar 25, 2017
SeaBass45
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Mar 25, 2017
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They even used a macro lens. Just for you.
Mar 25, 2017
Bobraz
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Mar 26, 2017
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Thanks! 👍
And the quality is comparable? It's incredible!
Mar 26, 2017
JonasHeineman
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Mar 26, 2017
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Hey @SeaBass45 - I've removed the links and references to this product because it's obviously a knockoff of the Vorso design, and we don't support linking / directing business to this on the product page for the original.
Mar 26, 2017
Bobraz
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Mar 26, 2017
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I don't support knockoffs also, for the record 😓. I was merely curious to understand what FT was, and then I was surprised about the amount of products on that site. One can hope it's not all knockoffs and that bonafide products are also sold there!
Mar 26, 2017
Miguel_Sanchez
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Mar 26, 2017
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It's a shopping hub based in Hong Kong. They have a page specifically for copyright infringements.
Mar 26, 2017
SeaBass45
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Mar 27, 2017
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Copy infringements save people money. You are evil if you think otherwise. Especially in this case. Look, if vorso had a legitment logo they could have laser etched then maybe it would be worth getting the original, but when the body is just bulk material milled down...then spending 18 dollars on getting the same thing is just smart money. Sorry for saving people money. You surely cant thank massdrop for that! Btw, I just got done drinking with my buddy and the FT version is still better lol. He must have lint in his bearing lol.
Mar 27, 2017
Miguel_Sanchez
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Mar 27, 2017
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ROFL they have a $600 peppyaka for $50. They even got the logo down except horribly lobsided. You're right though, vorso needs a logo or a design somewhere to differentiate between the authentic and knockoffs. I would hate to see some prick trying to pass them off on eBay or Facebook.
Mar 27, 2017
SeaBass45
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Mar 29, 2017
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Don't worry 'bout it. Continue your purchases on massdrop.
Mar 29, 2017
SantiagoDraco
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Mar 29, 2017
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"Copy infringements" save people money... is your justification for it being ok? You're evil if you think it's NOT OK to infringe on other peoples products? You sir are, well, I doubt I can use the words I think here without being moderated.
If a company wants to sell a product THEY designed (and likely/hopefully patented) they absolutely have every right to do so (that's why it's called copyright in the case of actual writing) and anyone who sells knockoffs are both breaking the law AND highly unethical.
Is it unethical to make a huge profit on a product? I would say that depends on the situation. In the normal world... like this prouduct here... it's absolutely not. If you are willing to pay for it then it's worth it, plain and simple. Using your logic SeaBass45 then everyone who buys a painting is a fool if they spend more than the value of the paints and canvas plus a small markup for the material and the time the painter took to make the work. Certainly there are moral questions of selling life saving drugs for excessive prices and denying them to those that can't pay... but that's the other end of the spectrum and an entirely different conversation.
It's amazing to me the amount of people in our society who think it's ok to cheat and steal just because they want something and are not willing to pay the price.
Mar 29, 2017
JonasHeineman
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Mar 29, 2017
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Here at Massdrop, we are driven to help the community save money, and we're actively engaged in putting customers closer to manufacturers in trying to reduce prices. That being said...
It may be the case that copyright infringement enables people to sell copycat products at low prices; they have the distinct advantage of spending $0 on R&D, among other things. However, they are quite costly to designers. Ultimately, if designers take the time to create and build new things only to have them reproduced at scale and sold for less than the originals, then incentives for innovation disappear quickly.
In the knife world, custom makers license their designs to larger manufacturers to make production versions, or sometimes work with machine shops to make 'mid-tech' knives that they do some work on (usually blade grind, assembly and centering, finish/anodize, QC). It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens in the world of spinning tops, and we see different classes or tiers of tops from the same designer, based on the scale and quality of production (and country of origin). If this is the case, we should see the same result - designers getting paid for new designs, and customers having access to cheaper, mass-production goods from top-name designers.
My point here is that yes, it's possible to copy someone's work and make it cheaper, maybe even at or near the same quality, especially if you make a business of out of using other people's ideas. My hope would be that folks consider the ramifications of supporting the knockoff industry - and it is most definitely an industry.
Mar 29, 2017
Bobraz
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Mar 30, 2017
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I totally agree!
I'd also add this: in the tops or fidget world, many designs are probably not protected by patent or copyright. As a manufacturer copying a design, you're probably not doing anything illegal (morally, that's another thing altogether). But since you're already spending the money, time, tooling, etc. to produce a knockoff, instead of just blatantly copying, why not spend a little bit more time on it and create a new and original design? Why not differentiate instead of copying? Perhaps you could even by luck create a hit product! The explanation is either laziness in some cases, or a willingness to dupe casual buyers into thinking they are getting the real product.
Mar 30, 2017
Exxodus
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Mar 30, 2017
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FastTech, another fidget toy site.
Mar 30, 2017
sixelannif
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Jul 25, 2017
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Lol, what patent? This is just a ball bearing in a hunk of metal, the US is probably one of the only countries that will actually allow you to patent this, most any other countries will laugh and tell you that sticking a ball-bearing in a hunk of metal is nothing new and definitely not your invention or original idea, maybe if the shape was VERY characteristic you could pass it off but even that is going to be rough. That's why luxury companies stick their logo all over their stuff, because they can't patent the object itself.
And frankly, anyone selling such a cheap and simple design at this price is just asking for it.
Jul 25, 2017
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