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BlackElk
65
Feb 25, 2017
Great discussion, great looking knife, expensive knife...this manufacturer knows what it's doing in terms of designing blades that integrate everything that's appealing in the knife world today- steels, blade forms,locks, types, finishes and colors etc. It seems to be a super clone at a super knife price.
anonomous
558
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkthis is not a clone
BlackElk
65
Feb 27, 2017
anonomousYour right it seems to be one.
anonomous
558
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkit is clearly NOT a clone. show me a picture of the original. thats what i thought, you have no idea, do you!?
why are you so adamant about spreading false information? ohh because its not made from America? lol, this is the best quality original designs you can find even when compared to American goods. read all the reviews, every one is very very good if not amazing. not a negative review yet and all ORIGINAL designs, including some American designers, using American made steel.
BlackElk
65
Feb 27, 2017
anonomousYou clearly want to debate but your really fishing here. Again it seems like a clone....infinity Peace
Hackenslash
346
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkA clone of what? You've yet to name an existing knife for us to compare it to. That makes your comment incomplete.
BlackElk
65
Feb 27, 2017
HackenslashNot really perhaps you didn't understand it. No offense intended.
anonomous
558
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkwhat you are doing is making something up and sayings its truth. you do understand this, right? so what you are saying is that anything that china makes is a clone because its a pocket knife. that is just dumb. it clearly is not a clone and your opinion is wildly crazy.
BlackElk
65
Feb 27, 2017
anonomousCrickets
anonomous
558
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkclearly you are just a troll, and only a troll. your life is meaning less if that's all you can offer.
baesex
220
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkI'm interested also to see what it's a clone of?
BlackElk
65
Feb 27, 2017
anonomousMore crickets. Nothing you have said moved me. God Bless
anonomous
558
Feb 27, 2017
BlackElkyou have said nothing but baited people with a lie, then have said crickets. if you don't want to say what you mean you are just trolling and are wasting life a way
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
baesexThis is great. Others have already commented on that. What I said was it seems like and not that it was a super clone. There is nothing original about this knife. The frame lock is a Chris Reeve invention. The flipper blade is debatable but Kit Carson and Ken Onion really made them popular. Darrel Ralph has said flippers may have been around since perhaps the 1800s and were referred to as dock knives. Everyone makes titanium. By the way these are all Americans not that it matters. My original post did not disparrage the knife but others have with there nasty ad hominem remarks which seem to be highly emotional.
baesex
220
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkfair enough, just as I understand it clone specifically means a replica of an existing model, I was genuinely interested as I very much like the aesthetics of this blade.
anonomous
558
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkso it uses the market ideas that make a knife function but doesn't clone anything. yea everyone and there mother uses these inventions. nothin that's licensable except the axis lock which ganzo stolen from benchmade without paying license fees. tbo benchmade is licensing it from someone else. but I digress. its not like many of your beloved knives themselves arnt using. so you built this big thing up and all for nothing. reeves is not holding his invention to himself btw. any maker can and does use it.
liner locks are not in style right now.
clones and replicas are knives that look like another, like what ganzo does to benchmade or that crap you see on aliexpress that has logos of other knives on them.
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
baesexYou should buy it
baesex
220
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkCan't afford it but you can buy it for me if you're so keen for me to have it.
baesex
220
Feb 28, 2017
anonomousthat is the correct definition of a clone yeah.
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
anonomousSeems your waiting your time arguing with me and getting nasty. I never said it was a clone. Your emotions are misguided.
anonomous
558
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElk"It seems to be a super clone at a super knife price."
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
anonomousOk buddy since you are all worked up and assaulting everyone who says something you don't understand or like based on a very weird perception of what is actually being said. I'll say it one last time so you won't go to bed with hate in your heart and vinegar in your spit. It seems like a clone is different than saying it is a clone. Please buy one or two or whatever will bring you joy.
anonomous
558
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkwe asked you what seemed like a clone and you kept blowing it off. and clearly you were completely wrong and in the end worthless.
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
anonomoushow about you go $&$)(; yourself. You disrectful $&@ hole. Since you don't seem to understand polite conversation and clearly your parents didn't teach you manners. Your argument is juvenile. How are you even allowed in this community?
anonomous
558
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkif you weren't China bashing in the first place, you would have got polite conversion, but due to your responses and accusations I responded accordingly.
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
baesexLoL.
BlackElk
65
Feb 28, 2017
anonomousI'm glad we have become friends. I haven't mentioned China at all? In fact the only mention of a country was by you? This confuses me? I also never called your beloved blade a clone. Perhaps we can kiss and make up. By the way how many of these did you buy?
Hackenslash
346
Feb 28, 2017
BlackElkSo, just trying to understand, you say it "seems like a clone" because, in your opinion, it doesn't have new, inventive structures and features? Framelock, Titanium, Drop Point, Flipper...all features widely found in other knives at various price points and origins?
If it "seems like a clone" for those reasons, can't you say the same thing about virtually all production knives these days?
BlackElk
65
Mar 1, 2017
HackenslashLanguage is an imprecise science especially across cultures. The answer to your question would be yes but perhaps a better description would have been analogue. The world is flat and manufacturers will produce what sells and sell it for a price people will pay. Before I arrived at the term in question I actually stated that this particular manufacturer does a fantastic job at integrating all of the things that make current production knives appealing, desirable and at a price point that is consistent with the rest of the market. None of the innovations on this blade originated in the country where it's manufactured and there in lies the difference. That doesn't make it a bad knife and I never said that. The designs we see today that are popular, desirable, and as a result being sold, originate and are purchased primarily in one major market. However the blade designs on many popular knives have their origins in Japan. In fact Japanese cutlery may be the most copied or cloned blades (blade patterns) on the market today. Their knife designs do not follow typical western patterns and are generally their own. In this sense they produce some of the most unique and beautifully designed knives you can own production and custom. I thought carefully about what I wrote and stand by it. I did not mention any country or culture-others did in their response and seemed to amuse themselves by it. I wrote it as an adult and responded as an adult until got tired of getting punched in the face so I responded in kind.
Hackenslash
346
Mar 1, 2017
BlackElkOk, I understand. I certainly hope you don't feel I was punching you in the face. I've heard that same comment made about the WE 601 and other WE's that use a Japanese boshi and missaki style grind at the tip. You are correct, WE is making use of a blade grind and style that is centuries old and certainly not Chinese in origin. I take a little softer view as to what is copying (or cloning by your terminology) and "public domain" knife features, if you will.
Although I hate IP theft and outright copying, I don't take a hard stance against knives that use design features that are almost defining of what a knife is. If you take too broad of an approach then all knives become "clones" of the first cutting tool used by the human hand. The Japanese style blade isn't a patented feature (e.g. Axis Lock) and it's style can't really be attributed to a single inventor (Reeve Integral Lock). As such, I consider the style to be fair game to any current knife designer.
That being said, I've owned a WE 601 since the were first released and I can vouch that it's a really well made knife. When I first started buying WEs they were about 30% cheaper than you see them now, so they aren't quite as good a bargain as they used to be.
BlackElk
65
Mar 1, 2017
Hackenslashno punches and thank you for an intelligent response. I don't take a hard line on anything. As the saying goes" do I contradict myself, yes I contradict myself, I am large I contain multitudes"-Whitman There was some direct and unrefined comments on the thread directed at westerners. I wanted to point out the facts And gently fired for effect And the real trolls came out. Among the many interest I have collecting knives brings me the most joy. I own brands from al the usual suspects. As I said about the WE perhaps too toung (sp) and cheek a superclone at a super price. Most recently I purchased a poshland damascas Bowie for under a 100 with the sheath , manufactured in Pakistan- super nice ff a little dull though. I look forward to reading more of your comments.
Jta944s2
16
Mar 2, 2017
anonomousi feel that you should learn to type correctly before losing it in a forum. Whether people are china bashing or not and whether you work for the company or not is beside the point. Your illiteracy is comical and your lack of correct sentence formation is laughable. Not to mention all of your mispelled words are indicative of your education. You sir should possibly re read what you type before sending it. And maybe just maybe everyone would take you more seriously
anonomous
558
Mar 2, 2017
Jta944s2your 2 cents is worthless. thanks grammar Nazi. the only people not taking me seriously are the people who bash products they don't even have and make things up about them so they can hate on them. but you are right about my grammar and spelling which I obviously don't care about online. you jump to conclusions about my education tho, but whatever you want to think is cool with me. I'll never meet you in real life.
Jta944s2
16
Mar 2, 2017
anonomousAll these arguments are trivial. Whether someone wants to buy or not is their own prerogative. I'm just saying when ever I watch these battles take place on Mass Drop discussions. And it just seems to me that you and all other parties involved are passionate about their own opinion which is what everything is, just an opinion. And as someone who is Jewish I do not appreciate the Nazi comment whether or not it is a common saying. Again your ignorance is showing. My point the the original reply is if you actually type your thoughts out properly they will be received better. When a tenth of your sentences are grammatically incorrect or the wrong words are used consistently it makes it harder to follow. If you want your point to come across in a better manner then it needs to have better articulation. This was by no means to bash you, just an informative observation.
Jta944s2
16
Mar 2, 2017
Jta944s2we have all been so passionate about something that our diarrhea of the mouth converts to spewing from your keyboard. Just saying you should proof read you comments