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ZeroGram PCT UL 2 MF Tent
Liliomere
12
Apr 12, 2016
3.6 pounds is not ultralight for a 2 man freestanding tent. My Mountain Hardware UL is 2.3 pounds and has a similar design. The semi-freestanding BA fly creek is less than 2 pounds.
DannyMilks
4557
Apr 12, 2016
LiliomereThe Mountain Hardware UL is 2 lbs 9 oz, has less interior space, angled walls (= less usable space), a smaller vestibule with less user-friendly door, and the rain fly is way less waterproof (many would say it's not even waterproof, as the generally agreed minimum is 1500mm and this is 1200mm). And, it's $60 more expensive. The BA Fly creek is 2 lbs 5 oz and is more affordable at $350, but is a very very tight 2p tent (most people would recommend sizing up in BA tents). Both of those are GREAT tents, but they don't offer quite the performance to cost and performance to weight ratio combination like the ZeroGram. This is another option that shouldn't be discounted simply because there are lighter / less comfortable tents in existence. But thank you for your input and providing some good comparisons @Liliomere . I think @eliump2147 made a more similar comparison with the Hubba Hubba NX.
Liliomere
12
Apr 13, 2016
DannyMilksI was talking about the trail weight. The design also looks like the BA copper spur (with the cross bar on top) which also weighs significantly less. And while I agree that the fly creek is a squeeze with another person, the MH is quite roomy. There are many lighter (comfortable) options, was really my point. Do you know if the quoted weight here is trail or packaged? And does 3.6 mean 3lbs 9.5 ounces? Really I think the question is at what point does a tent stop being an ultralight tent and start being just a backpacking tent?
DannyMilks
4557
Apr 13, 2016
Liliomere@Liliomere - you bring up a valid point about the spectrum of ultralight/light/conventional, and it's something I consider with every drop. I think it's really amazing how a 3.6 pound full-featured 2-person double-wall free-standing tent is now potentially considered not ultralight (maybe merely "lightweight"?). Ten years ago that would have been unfathomable. The industry has clearly progressed meaningfully in a short time period. You mentioned some great tents, that are certainly good options. We're simply presenting another good option in its class (price/weight/performance) that was the top rated in a poll, and particularly cool because it's the first time it's being offered in the US.
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