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Anav_ds
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Sep 3, 2017
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For the short story skip to summary below. :-)
Ingesting smoke/vapours into ones body is not a healthy activity even in moderation. The costs to our immediate health, the impact on family and the detriment to the overall health care system should also be weighed in. Eventually we all pay for such poor choices. If the MASSDROP execs, support such choices, then that is their prerogative but I would hope they are not going down such a route. I would much rather support active and healthy lifestyle communities, such as cycling that I saw noted. As for trying to lump in cannabis into the discussion that is not a wise move. Cannabis has been shown to turn a teens brain to absolute mush and even up the age of 25, the brain is still forming and destroyed by habitual cannabis smoking. I need not go into the details but I have witnessed it at a personal level besides the medical/statistical/scientific evidence.
In summary, eff no! ;-)
Anav_ds
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Sep 11, 2017
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flymoloRead up on lemmings flymolo. A lot of people voted for Trump..............
So living a healthy lifestyle is puritanical??
Minimizing impact on the healthcare system is puritanical?
Avoiding those things that have been scientifically shown to reduce ones opportunity to see and spend time with grand kids is puritanical??
Being accountable to oneself is puritanical being stupid or committing suicide slowly is OK?
flymolo
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Sep 11, 2017
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Anav_dsThanks for your deep concern, Anav, but I was talking about MJ, which I wouldn't describe as any of those things you listed above. Even vaping nicotine, which, again, I wasn't talking about, deserves a little credit from a harm reduction standpoint if you choose to believe it's less harmful than tobacco.
Regardless of that, someone else commented they hadn't been on the site, since they stopped the vape community. I merely wanted to comment that I too came back here today after a 1-2 year hiatus, looking for accessories for a particular vaporizer and am disappointed to see the community is no longer.
So regardless of your fervent views on how others ought to live their lives, I would like to request the community be re-added.
Regardless of that, someone else commented they hadn't been on the site, since they stopped the vape community. I merely wanted to comment that I too came back here today after a 1-2 year hiatus, looking for accessories for a particular vaporizer and am disappointed to see the community is no longer.
So regardless of your fervent views on how others ought to live their lives, I would like to request the community be re-added.
Anav_ds
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Sep 12, 2017
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Suppa_KHahahaha, I don't care much for believers of anything, that's for the John Snow's of the world. I deal in facts, science, logic, rational thought and compassion/empathy, the rest is extra or a distraction.
What I state has no consequence. It tickles me that you have your knickers in a twist but c'mon really?? Its up to the owners of this site to decide. The question is do I want to be associated with a site that is fixated on profits for itself (or themselves), at the expenditure of principles, i dunno, like tobacco company executives for example.
skyrmion
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Sep 20, 2017
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Anav_ds> I deal in facts, science, logic, rational thought and compassion/empathy, the rest is extra or a distraction.
*tip*
*tip*
aGuyWalksintoaBar
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Sep 21, 2017
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Anav_dsYou're right it is up to the owners, however, who is it that influences the owners? The consumer. That being said, verbalizing that you don't support vaping doesn't really have an affect on whether it stays away or not. If there is a community for, it will come. I mean Massdrop is about "communities" is it not? You can see your way out of a forum that doesn't pertain to you. :)
Anav_ds
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Sep 21, 2017
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aGuyWalksintoaBarI concur that verbalizing does not affect the citizens that continue to make decisions that are illogical. They are beyond help. What is more interesting to me is whether or not the folks that run this site have any moral and ethical fiber or are they simply greedy. One cannot be faulted for expecting the best of mankind, but one does need patience as we fail more than we succeed.
ElectronicVices
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Sep 22, 2017
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Anav_dsSince you are in to science, here is the consensus of the first medical fellowship to denounce cigarettes as harmful.... https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0
TL:DR They strongly support the promotion of e-cigarettes in harm reduction.
Don't support something that will greatly reduce deaths from traditional tobacco use... sounds super logical to me!
Don't support something that will greatly reduce deaths from traditional tobacco use... sounds super logical to me!
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kupwardsRight -- free speech allows you to state your opinion. I was asking a simpler question about his knowledge base that allowed him to speak to the benefits of medical marijuana -- since I'm sure his opinions are backed by some form of knowledge: Perhaps a doctor, or a scientist, or a technician, or a patient?
Cause unqualified opinions are useless....
LimeGreenYeti
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Anav_dsGreat display of the nanny state oppression, leftist monster.
skyrmion
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Dec 9, 2017
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LimeGreenYetithat's not representative of leftist politics at all but ok
skyrmion
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Dec 9, 2017
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Anav_dsman i forgot about this post
this is honestly one of the most genuinely embarassing things i've ever read on the internet
https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/
this is honestly one of the most genuinely embarassing things i've ever read on the internet
https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/
Anav_ds
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Dec 10, 2017
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skyrmionThink what you will, but my experience is very different and only know of those that Vape so they dont have to do poppers all the time.
https://news.yale.edu/2017/02/06/yale-study-1-4-teen-e-cigarette-users-have-tried-dripping
https://news.yale.edu/2016/01/12/alcohol-e-cigs-can-affect-motor-skills-yale-study-shows
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2017/12/04/teens-vaping-e-cigarettes-up-to-7-times-more-likely-to-smoke-later-but-not-vice-versa/#23dbe8276aea
ElectronicVices
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Dec 11, 2017
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Anav_dsThe first article didn't even accurately describe what dripping is... I'm going to assume the rest of your links are the same type of one page, 2nd hand pseudo-science. Try reading something that is longer than 200 words... you might learn something. Any argument involving children I will respond to in the same manner, other peoples kids are their problem, not MINE. If you don't want them to do something, take the time, make the effort, and be involved your kids life. If your kid is vaping, they are committing an illegal act in just about every district in the United States. Don't penalize others because you don't want to parent your own kid.
Edit: Couldn't help but go ahead and read them, my assessment was not wrong. I especially like the opening line of the last one. Nothing like leading with an oxymoron... " Teens who use e-cigarettes are more likely to smoke tobacco cigarettes later on—but the opposite wasn’t true, found a new long-term study that surveyed high school students over three years. ?" Long term and 3 years are not usually something I associate nor would anyone with commons sense make an assertion that 3 years is a long term study. Also none of these links actually post the study they claim to reference. Stop reading someones two minute summation and start reading the actual scientific reports.
Edit: Couldn't help but go ahead and read them, my assessment was not wrong. I especially like the opening line of the last one. Nothing like leading with an oxymoron... " Teens who use e-cigarettes are more likely to smoke tobacco cigarettes later on—but the opposite wasn’t true, found a new long-term study that surveyed high school students over three years. ?" Long term and 3 years are not usually something I associate nor would anyone with commons sense make an assertion that 3 years is a long term study. Also none of these links actually post the study they claim to reference. Stop reading someones two minute summation and start reading the actual scientific reports.
ElectronicVices
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Dec 11, 2017
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ElectronicVicesDidn't feel like making the last post even longer but if you dig into the author of some of those studies that the Yale articles indicate exist (I couldn't find them, even on their website under research and publications) you will find he is a Psychiatrist specializing in addiction for cocaine and nicotine. His study involves intravenous nicotine injections... personally I would rather a physician weigh in on this subject and mirror real world conditions as closely as possible. The alcohol article should also mention that the alcohol found in nicotine liquid is not an additive inserted by the juice makers but a byproduct of the flavorings used (often naturally derived). Propylene glycol is the most common base for flavoring suspension but some of the flavor molecules don't bind well to propylene glycol so alcohol is used. The article mentions that the vast majority had minimal levels of alcohol but makes a big deal out of single sample that included a much higher percentage. Before I started making my own I had encountered bottles that had a whiff of alcohol, but since evaporation is a thing I left the cap off overnight, problem solved. If you truly gave a flying monkey toss about "science" and "fact" as you stress in earlier posts you would do a bit more digging before proffering this shallow propaganda as fact. Do yourself a favor and just admit you were uninformed....
I thought I could let that asinine "poppers" comment go but... *sigh*... here I go again, one of two things is true: 1) You do not actually understand what "poppers" are (amyl nitrate or like kind, sniffed/huffed to get high) or 2) You know some really really disturbed people that should get mental and physical help. Neither in anyway should give you a negative perception of something that based on current long term studies (yes as in 10 years, not 3) strongly indicate will save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives for people who use it to quit lighting burning sticks of tobacco and inhaling it.
I thought I could let that asinine "poppers" comment go but... *sigh*... here I go again, one of two things is true: 1) You do not actually understand what "poppers" are (amyl nitrate or like kind, sniffed/huffed to get high) or 2) You know some really really disturbed people that should get mental and physical help. Neither in anyway should give you a negative perception of something that based on current long term studies (yes as in 10 years, not 3) strongly indicate will save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives for people who use it to quit lighting burning sticks of tobacco and inhaling it.
LimeGreenYeti
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Dec 12, 2017
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skyrmionIt sure is, but ok. Besides I didn't bring politics into this, the shit poster decided to make vaping on massdrop political with an ultra stupid comment.
Anav_ds
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Jun 26, 2019
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LimeGreenYetiThe reason I am no longer posting on this thread is that every day the facts speak for themselves. Massdrop should be a valued member of the community and thus promote fairness, equality, respect and work towards a healthier both physically and mentally society for all.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/health/san-francisco-e-cigarette-ban-sales-bn/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/health/e-cigarette-id-check-study/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/health/parents-kids-vaping-ecigarettes/index.html I would like a DROP for t-shirts that say "Athletes Don't Vape". ;-P
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/health/e-cigarette-id-check-study/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/health/parents-kids-vaping-ecigarettes/index.html I would like a DROP for t-shirts that say "Athletes Don't Vape". ;-P
ElectronicVices
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Jun 26, 2019
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Anav_dsYou bring more crap about the children, you didn't have a leg to stand on last time, that remains true. Preventing grown adults from accessing something that will lengthen or save their life so parents don't have to be involved in raising their own child is not an argument you will win with me. You've been on here for two years and haven't bought anything, exactly why do you bother coming here again?
Anav_ds
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Jun 26, 2019
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ElectronicVicesNice try at obfuscation. I suppose mass shooting of children dont change much where you are from, or babies drowing in a river or children being housed like cattle so I dont expect you to care about the youth. However Drop as a responsible company/corporation has a higher standard.
skyrmion
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Jun 26, 2019
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Anav_dslmao bumping a 2 year old thread about vaping on massdrop
LimeGreenYeti
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Jun 27, 2019
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Anav_dsCommunist nanny state garbage. CNN links make it even more laughable.
What will you ban next? Snickers bars? All junk food? Cars that reach more than 10 mph?
This site sells knives, you're tryin g to stop that too, comrade?
Anav_ds
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Jun 27, 2019
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LimeGreenYetiCommunist LOL. You mean the state that legislates wearing seatbelts and has the audacity to combat drinking and driving. Thank god for private health insurance so the reckless can pay for coverage through the nose! In any case will be back in two years. :-)
ElectronicVices
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Anav_dsChallenging your sources and the basis of your argument is not obfuscation, posting dramatic "mass shootings of children" when talking about a complete ban on a harm reduction device IS obfuscation. You aren't worth the keystrokes... I'm out.
LimeGreenYeti
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Jul 8, 2019
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Anav_dsYou're just a troll who doesn't even buy anything here. Aside from spewing stupidity what exactly are you doing on this site?
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Anav_ds
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Sep 2, 2019
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LimeGreenYetihttps://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2019/02/vaping-rises-among-teens
https://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/for-media/media-releases/national/2019/youth-vaping/?region=on
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/health/vaping-marijuana-ecigarettes-sickness.html This one is really illuminating: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping specifically 1 - "A recent study found that most people who intended to use e-cigarettes to kick the nicotine habit ended up continuing to smoke both traditional and e-cigarettes." and 2 - "A New Generation Is Getting Hooked on Nicotine. Among youth, e-cigarettes are more popular than any traditional tobacco product. In 2015, the U.S. surgeon general reported that e-cigarette use among high school students had increased by 900 percent, and 40 percent of young e-cigarette users had never smoked regular tobacco. Evidence and time will show the callousness and shallowness of all posters in here. Meantime drop continues to be a seller of products that are killing children.
https://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/for-media/media-releases/national/2019/youth-vaping/?region=on
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/health/vaping-marijuana-ecigarettes-sickness.html This one is really illuminating: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping specifically 1 - "A recent study found that most people who intended to use e-cigarettes to kick the nicotine habit ended up continuing to smoke both traditional and e-cigarettes." and 2 - "A New Generation Is Getting Hooked on Nicotine. Among youth, e-cigarettes are more popular than any traditional tobacco product. In 2015, the U.S. surgeon general reported that e-cigarette use among high school students had increased by 900 percent, and 40 percent of young e-cigarette users had never smoked regular tobacco. Evidence and time will show the callousness and shallowness of all posters in here. Meantime drop continues to be a seller of products that are killing children.
LimeGreenYeti
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Sep 2, 2019
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Anav_dsAgain because you seem slow-witted, what are you doing on this site? You don't buy anything.
All you've done here is insult people because of politics and ranted about something the site may or may not decide to start selling.
You seem mentally ill. Leave me alone now, I don't wish to converse with you anymore.
Anav_ds
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Sep 2, 2019
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LimeGreenYetiI dont care about politics, but about the health of a population. It seems you would rather have choice over public safety. There is a reason seatbelts are mandatory and govts are having to make vaccinations mandatory as people despite the advantages of a public education system would rather not use evidence and commons sense to their own and others health to the detriment of the community. Go head and runaway and not discuss the issues, that is your choice. I am simply making the point that as a responsible community member related products should not be sold.
Anav_ds
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Jan 2, 2020
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LimeGreenYetihttps://www.sciencealert.com/the-death-toll-from-vaping-in-the-us-keeps-rising
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
https://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2019/70919a-eng.php
https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2019/02/vaping-rises-among-teens
https://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/for-media/media-releases/national/2019/youth-vaping/?region=qc This is why Drop or any responsible community based organization does not support Vaping.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
https://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2019/70919a-eng.php
https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2019/02/vaping-rises-among-teens
https://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/for-media/media-releases/national/2019/youth-vaping/?region=qc This is why Drop or any responsible community based organization does not support Vaping.
LimeGreenYeti
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Jan 2, 2020
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Anav_dsHi stupid! Are more people killed by vaping or knives? Misuse of many things responsible outlets sell can do damage and or kill. Oppressive nanny state maniacs like you are far more dangerous.
Anav_ds
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Jan 2, 2020
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LimeGreenYetiHaha, If i was at all oppressive, quite the contrary, I would euthanize all that smoked to aid in the evolution of man. No reason to breed (quote your word) "stupid"ity. However my passive state is simply to educate. Whether one elicits to learn from facts and science, or alternatively keep their head in the denial sand is the realm of the reader.
LimeGreenYeti
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Jan 2, 2020
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Anav_dsYou're not educating, you are trolling.
You have no reason to be on this site as you don't even purchase anything. You promised a while ago that you were going away and said all that needed to be said.
Why not choose another site and bother other people?
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