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MintyCumin
25
Jul 6, 2019
It'd be a nice option if it was possible to purchase tent only, without stakes included. The tent is clearly targeted to enthusiasts and and some of us have our own preferences in tent stakes too. Receiving titanium hooks only to resell or give away feels just needlessly wasteful. On the subject of tent innner, it's really hard to say and hard to choose, both mesh, solid, and hybrid inners have their own pros and cons that are hugely further modified by design of the tent overall and the fly.
Klunke
37
Jul 6, 2019
MintyCuminAt least by looking at the 1-p for witch there are more information available, I would say the design with vents etc. should work well for both mesh and solid inners. Hybrid is of cause a different tent.
pagullo
9
Jul 7, 2019
MintyCumin+1 to stakes being optional, if at all possible. Most of those who wander around here probably have an excess of stakes
Greg2
86
Jul 7, 2019
pagulloYou’d save about $2 on the tent. They are a throw in with minimal cost.
Joewee
53
Jul 8, 2019
Greg21.) They're titanium, so it might be a little more than $2, and 2.) regardless of COST, if you're getting something you're POSITIVE you don't need, it would still be nice to just be able to opt not to get them, if for no other reason than being less wasteful.. not including the hooks should absolutely be something Drop can handle.
octavecat
392
Jul 8, 2019
MintyCumin+1 agreed, it's wasteful because most of us already have stakes
MintyCuminWe were originally going to sell the tent without stakes, but we realized some people wouldn't be aware of this, and would be disappointed to receive a tent which they can't pitch if they don't own stakes. So we decided to include some low cost stakes that hardly change the price. In terms of wastefulness, I agree that a lot of people will have their own preferences (I like DAC J-stakes for the 4 corners myself) but I think these skinnier/lighter stakes are still often helpful for most people. Even if you like a more substantial stake (as most will) these are still helpful for less important stake points like the doors etc. So most people should at least have some use for them. At present including these is a compromise between the options, but down the road it would be great to offer the tent with a variety of stake options including no stakes, wider stakes etc. My personal setup is: 4 x DAC J-Stakes (for 4 corners) 2 x Ti Hooks (for 2 doorways) And then if I'm expecting weather I will add two more hooks or DAC stakes for the peak guylines.
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JoeweeYou are right, the stakes cost us more than two dollars however the logistics cost of having multiple options would be more than the stakes cost therefore it literally makes no sense. Everyone would be paying more no matter if stakes or no stakes just to have the option. It would be interesting to see what everyones preferences are regarding stakes. Dan already mentioned his preferred setup and I personally prefer DAC J-Stakes as well. We are totally open to changing to a different type of stakes for future production runs if you let us know what you prefer! For now the best recommendation i can give is to put the stakes should you not use them on one of the sites to sell used stuff. They are nice titanium stakes and you should be able to make a few bucks back no problem.
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Bayside_Father
124
Jul 19, 2019
UL_Product_ManagerIf the designer himself prefers DAC J-stakes, then it seems to me that those might be the best ones to include with the tent.
Bayside_FatherWell, designer preference is certainly something to take into consideration, but, perhaps more relevant are the weather and soil conditions the tent will be used in.
Bayside_Father
124
Jul 19, 2019
PartlyCloudyOptimistOf course the weather and soil conditions have a significant effect on which tent stakes to use, which is why many people have multiple sets of stakes, and select stakes based on where they're going and the weather forecast. However, what we're looking at here is which one set of stakes to include with the tent. As explained above, they will include stakes with the tent. To my mind, a versatile, quality, light stake is the best option, and DAC J-stakes fit that bill. YMMV.
Ausjoe
10
Jul 20, 2019
UL_Product_ManagerI use couple of the stakes with the tent. The rest I use in my garden. They are quite useful for lots of things. So thanks for including them.
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