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T_Good
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Nov 16, 2016
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The discussion pages are now useless.
The most recent comment as of right now (mine) on the https://www.massdrop.com/buy/mountainsmith-day-tls-lumbar-pack/talk page is 5 posts down from the top.
So logic for the Talk pages appears to be, top to bottom: - oldest post is first at the top, then newest post, then specific replies to that post, oldest first. For Discussion pages on drops it appears to be: - newest post, then specific replies to that post, oldest first, then next newest single post.
Nov 16, 2016
billnye
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Nov 17, 2016
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@T_Good Maybe the biggest problem with this new system which your description doesn't quite mention (though I know you were talking about it) is that the old system was flat view (with optional nested view of a single conversation thread on-demand) and sorted oldest to newest... so all new top level posts and all new replies were together in chronological order
But the new system nests by default AND treats "newest top level post" as the sorting method instead of "newest top level post or reply in thread" which completely BURIES any conversations which use the nice new threading. Huge mistake :)
The only way to be sure you've seen the newest replies in a conversation with either type of page (Talk or Drops Discussion) is to scroll through the entire laggy single page perma-scroll. (Unless you're dedicated enough to write down what the previous post count was last time you read, subtract from the new post count, and then check off how many new posts you see as you scroll... that would let you only scroll as far down the infini-page as it took to reach the newest reply to the oldest top level. Sound fun to anybody else?)
@Fearlessleader reverse chronological might have been the bait that led to the comments system switch, but mobile is *currently* no better off with the new system than desktop is, for the reasons mentioned above... and certainly not better off than it used to be (guaranteed maximum in the past of two page loads, first page of comments then jump to last page of comments) vs. the "oops sorry you can't find the last comments now without viewing everything" that the current combination of issues and design choices has left us with :)
That said, I'm 100% behind giving MORE choice in the presentation. Clicky choices of flat/threaded, reverse/normal chronological, etc., and account-wide preferences for sort... sounds great. But the current system took away choices AND made an uncomfortable interaction of defaults, both. Lose-lose.
Nov 17, 2016
ltopper
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Nov 18, 2016
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@billnye We just launched the first phase of our new Discussion System and are working quickly to improve it. The overall purpose of the effort was to restructure the system to lay the groundwork for faster performance & legibility and set us up for a host of new features. We just finished up fixing a number of issues with the editor and we're working on sort options and navigation next. Stay tuned!
Nov 18, 2016
T_Good
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Nov 18, 2016
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You have not affected faster performance. Using an Intel i7 hardwired to >50Mb/s down connection with FF 50.0 causes slower performance in loading discussion posts for me. The blank post placeholders load, and then I wait for them to start populating. It was faster before when this was not a function of that awful infinity scroll. Also, it is impossible to get to the first posting on some of these drops that have 500+ comments. I gave up on this current drop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-m220-semi-open-studio-headphones/talk Many times, the first 20 comments or so contain valuable info; that info is now obscured.
Legibility has basically not changed and readability is getting worse https://www.w3.org/wiki/Text_styling_with_CSS#Web_typography_review
How about a compromise and make this a user profile setting? If folks are clamoring for this kind of sorting, let them keep it. If others like a more linear view, let them keep it. I'd like to help this site get better and not just be perceived as negative about your decisions.
Nov 18, 2016
Fearlessleader
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Nov 18, 2016
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Thanks for noting this... my comments applied before these horrid changes and are now multiplied by it. giant sigh ... worse than complaining into a black hole is a black hole that spews back partially implemented attempts at improvements that are actually worse than no improvement.
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