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SidPost
73
Nov 18, 2017
First, what jkiemele said.
Second, turn the heat down and let your food warm up to room temperature out of the fridge. For example: Can't fry an egg in a stainless pan? Set the egg on the counter the night before, then heat the pan gently in the morning with a touch of butter or canola oil. When the egg sets, turn the heat off. Wipe the skillet out with a paper towel when done with breakfast.
LeCheffre
42
Feb 14, 2018
SidPostThis is not inline with the best food safety practices.
SidPost
73
Feb 14, 2018
LeCheffreLetting an egg or steak sit on a counter in a house may not be recommended for infants or the elderly but, assuming you cook it properly the risk of foodborne illness is miniscule in a house of reasonable cleanliness and modern HVAC. Raw eggs and meat left on a picnic table is a totally different thing.
Eggs sold in Europe are generally unrefrigerated and European food laws and safety are much stricter than in the USA. Food handling and under cooking are the worst offenders of food borne illness. I guess I should note that I also don't fear drinking unpasteurized milk or eating Sushi either.
A good sear on a room temperature steak to me tastes better as the cooking is more even whether you want it pink in the center or well done. I also don't refrigerate farm eggs for my own consumption. Battery hens are a totally different subject. YMMV
AdamWJ
4
Mar 22, 2018
SidPostTrue on European eggs, but they are also unwashed, while ours are. The washing process means our eggs are not shelf-stable.
Edit: I should also mention that I am pretty much with you on the above - probably not very dangerous, but figured I’d explain about the difference in case someone starts just leaving their eggs out permenantly.
Cloaca
1906
Apr 17, 2018
SidPostJapanese eggs are sold room temperature -- not sure about washing. But a large number of them are eaten raw, including by the elderly and kids, mixed with rice, in sukiyaki, as barely cooked onsen tamago, and so on (and there are restaurants that specialize in raw chicken).
In countries where eggs are eaten raw you get about the same number of salmonella cases as in countries where they aren't, but to achieve this result fewer eggs are contaminated to begin with. Salmonella contaminated eggs in the U.S. are often never discovered because they aren't eaten raw. At any rate, salmonella is a specific bacteria that doesn't self-create when an egg is left at room temperature. If it's already there it can multiply, and there may be other harmful bacteria already in the egg besides salmonella.
At any rate, one of the things you notice living abroad are these differential conceptions of risk. Japanese tend not to use helmets on bicycles, except for very small children, and the same in many European countries. When you run the numbers of this kind of thing you find that two things of equal risk are considered to be completely different levels of risk in different countries. Country A will think that X is really risky but not Y; country B will think that Y is really risky but not X.
I'd give more examples, but they often get quasi-political, so I'll leave it at that.
SidPost
73
Apr 17, 2018
CloacaPerceived risk and real risk are different things. Often, perceived risk has no support in terms of real danger of worse outcomes in a reasonably large sample of outcomes. In terms of general health, it could be argued that the intense focus to eliminate 'germs' has gone a long way to weaken immune systems. Personally, I don't use antibacterial hand soap as one example because our bodies depend on them for digestion and good health and these soaps don't discriminate against good and bad bacteria.
On the flip side, there are things out in the world that can make you extremely ill and put your life at risk. In my case, I got camphlobacter jujuni not from something I ate (under cooked chicken being a common source) but, from a dairy most likely from an infected milk cow.
In my case, I still eat soft boiled eggs and have no issue setting out an egg the night before for an 'over easy' egg with breakfast. Whether this makes sense or is safe for someone else is for them to decide.
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