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Mshenay
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Jan 30, 2018
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PC37X is an amazing product! I've never been able to get any of my friends to get any "audiophile" products but one of them picked up the PC37X and he obviously loves it! It even got him asking some questions about other good sounding headphones ^^
Jan 30, 2018
Megazine
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Jan 30, 2018
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I never tried the PC37X. Isn't it better to get HD6XX or the 7XX and use an external mic? From what I've, been reading, gaming headsets are really poor in the sound department. Have you've tried any to compare? I'm coming form a high end speaker system with a Pioneer Elite receiver and Polk Audio RTiA series speakers. I bought the highest end video game headset from Turtle Beach - Elite 800X, returned them the next day. . Wow they sounded so awful. Everything sounded mushy - very poor sound quality in all areas. I then found this website and ordered the 6XX (has not arrived) and the 7XX (arrived). The sound in the 7XX obliterates the Elite 800X. I now steer all my friends and family from buying a gaming headset.
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Jan 30, 2018
Mshenay
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Feb 6, 2018
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I can't say how much better the HD 6XX with an external mic is, but frankly a lot of... non audiophile consumers don't want the hassle of an "external" mic, it's in-convenient so for those guys the PX37X is perfect!
The nice thing with Sennhesier is their an audio company, really I feel the PX37X isn't so much a "gaming headset" as it is a Sennhesier headphone that happens to have a mic attached to it lol
but I've not really heard his pair in a long time so, ymmv
Feb 6, 2018
Sennheiser
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Feb 6, 2018
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Not to say negative things about other audio companies (we are part of a niche, and growth is a tide that raises all ships), but there’s a few reasons why the price to performance ratio of some gaming headsets are not as strong as you might expect.
Firstly, many people rightly expect the marketing and aesthetics of “gamer” headsets will drive the cost up a bit, however there is also a hidden cost for some of these gaming headsets. If the headset design calls for a digital input straight from a gaming console, that can only be served by optical, HDMI, and USB. HDMI is usually connected directly to a TV, and many game consoles have dropped the optical output, so that leaves USB. To get full, native USB sound support, particularly for a surround signal such as the Elite X800 takes, Microsoft and Sony charge headset makers a per-unit royalty fee.
Second, wireless headsets for consoles need a base station with a transmitter, and then the headphone needs to also have a wireless receiver, a Digital to Analog converter (DAC), and an amp, in addition to the regular headphone components of a good driver, good enclosure, and comfortable pads that don’t cause odd peaks and dips in frequency response (uneven sound). Each of these components also take from the budget of the headphone, and often “gamer“ companies usually need to outsource for off-the-shelf OEM components.
Our PC37X, admittedly, is mainly targeted for the PC audience. That means we leave you to make your own decisions about what kind of DAC/amp/soundcard you would like to use and budget for, though we do make our own Sennheiser GSX 1000 (and 1200 model for lag-free local LAN party chat) external sound card with in-house developed virtual surround sound processing which works with any headphone (but is ideally suited for the PC37X), and we also have an optional accessory cable that is shorter and is easy to plug straight into a console controller’s headphone jack (or smartphone/tablet). So, when buying the PC37X, you are just paying for the (good) analog parts of a headset (drivers, microphone, enclosure and comfortable padding).
Sennheiser also has over 70 years of audio experience to bring to our designs. We design our drivers in-house and have our own manufacturing, we design our enclosures with respect to their effect on comfort and sound quality, and our headsets have similar drivers and microphone capsules as our music and communications products except optimized for gaming use.
Hopefully this info explains why our gaming headsets might surprise you with their quality, but feel free to ask and learn!
Feb 6, 2018
Sennheiser
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Feb 6, 2018
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It’s amazing what ears-on time with good headphones and what-you-thought-was-familiar audio can do. We hear reports all the time from people who get used to the speakers in their TVs or smartphones, then switch to a good pair of headphones, and say something along the lines of “It’s like I’m listening to a completely different song/game!”
Thanks for sharing the audio!
Feb 6, 2018
Mshenay
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Feb 6, 2018
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Yeap no problem! Thanks for taking the time to chime in! It is frustrating that game consoles are dropping optical support but thankfully a few monitors/tv's still have it. I've always routed audio out of my Monitor an into my DAC when gaming!
Feb 6, 2018
maximumsid
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Feb 6, 2018
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" we design our enclosures with respect to their effect on comfort and sound quality " Really appreciate you guys (I got 3 Sennheiser Headphones), but the earcups on HD 4.40BT are really terrible and small. (I've even made a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=589Lx80TKa4) Also, I REALLY want to buy HD6XX from Massdrop, but none of your headphones are shipped to India. :(
Feb 6, 2018
Sennheiser
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That is your video? Your findings and perspectives were well-presented and quite logical, had nice helpful tips for viewers, and reflected quite a bit of care and thought. Thank you!
As you probably know, headphone design is a balance of many factors, and which trade-offs and advantages we choose is often dictated by the listener’s application. With the HD 4.40 BT, the emphasis was on a portable, wireless form factor to use on-the-go, at an affordable price. For use in public transport or while moving, and to have more mainstream appeal, our listener feedback has showed a strong preference for small earcups because of their light weight and less visually dominating profile. However, on-ear sized closed headphones often present their own comfort challenges, so the HD 4.40 BT has an earcup and pad size in between an on-ear and the HD 500 series (mostly home use) headphones. For your ears, you might find the PXC 480 or 550 to be more comfortable, and still more compact than the HD 500 series (like the HD 569), but that is more expensive.
The PC37X is intended for gaming, which is typically a home-use application, and it can lead to long marathon listening sessions. So, it has the larger earcup size and different comfort structure.
Feb 6, 2018
maximumsid
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Feb 6, 2018
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Yes, thanks a lot for the appreciation!
Also, your reasoning makes sense, and if the feedback showed a liking for smaller earpads (which I wasn't expecting), then I guess I might have a different ear size and preferences than the average person. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
Feb 6, 2018
NotABot
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Feb 7, 2018
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> but none of your headphones are shipped to India. :(
Use a re-shipper. Massdrop cannot officially recommend this, but this is what many, many, many participants do. Just read the various threads for recommendations, or there should be India-based forums that discuss which ones to use for minimal fuss.
Feb 7, 2018
Sennheiser
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Mar 28, 2018
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Just to follow up, it was ear cups and how big they looked on the head which was desired to be smaller... pad sizing was dictated by the size of the ear cups, though still intended to be larger and more comfortable than on-ear headphones, as stated above.
Mar 28, 2018
maximumsid
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Mar 28, 2018
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Thank you for the follow up. Though, after more interactions with people, many agree that the inner opening of earpads could be larger, while retaining the same size of the ear cup, and the thick stitching which causes discomfort when it touches ears could also be worked upon. I really think that this 'good' headphone can be made 'great' with a very small fix with the earpads, as it sounds very good. I think 70-80% people are 'fine' with it, but amongst the people I've interacted with, the other 20-30% have expressed having the same issues above (in the video, it's comments, and in Amazon reviews). People have been asking me about earpad replacement suggestions, with some testing Sennheiser Momentum earpads with these, so this is an issue that people are trying to find a solution for. Again, me and the 'people' aren't designers and engineers, so I am not sure if what I suggested is completely possible with the construction constraints and responses you had.
That being said, I really appreciate you having this detailed discussion about this 'other' product of yours here on Massdrop.
Mar 28, 2018
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