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jyotshak
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May 18, 2018
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The dac is quite terrible actually. Worse than most phones. Atleast the 2015 MacBook hasn’t terrible sounding dac and I am not even an audiophile and yet I could tell the difference With my Dt 770, the audio output is quite harsh. Now I know beyerdynamic is brighter than most headphones But that doesn’t give the MacBook a free pass. My friends one plus, my iPhone and my own Alienware all have much better flatter(but not harsh) sound . Not to mention the fact that it’s output power is again less than all the three devices I just mentioned. Yes the one plus 3t at 500 dollars sounds better and LOUDER than a MacBook Pro of 1300 dollars. I am not bashing Apple, it is honestly peculiar that their iPads and iPhones both sound better than their macs, they sound pretty good actually.
May 18, 2018
mindhead1
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May 19, 2018
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jyotshakI agree with your assessment. My headphones sound better directly from my iPad Pro than from my 2015 MacBook Pro. That said, the MBPr isn’t terrible amd is more than adequate for most applications.
May 19, 2018
RayF
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Jun 8, 2018
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mindhead1Could be your music. My stuff sounds great. Guessing you listen to your iPad because you don't have a computer?
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Jun 8, 2018
mindhead1
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Jun 8, 2018
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RayFI have to many computers. The iPad Pro audio out put is just really good. Almost as good as my portable Topping NX4 DAC/Amp.
Jun 8, 2018
RayF
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Jun 8, 2018
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mindhead1Yeah, I was kidding about the computers--I have the same problem. I also have too many iPads but until I read your comment, I'd never really tried to listen to music on one. So, I pulled out an iPad Air and cued up a few tunes with a pair of 6XXs--not bad at all. Then I got jiggy wid it and I tried to connect an Oppo DAC/Amp. That didn't really work out (had to use the line-out connection). Anyway, I agree with you, music on an iPad sounds pretty good. Been thinking about an iPad Pro for a while. Might take the plunge, but I can't see carrying it around as a music source (a little big for my pockets). I have an iPhone 8 that sounds very good, especially when connected to that Oppo. Recently figured out how to play FLAC files on it (on the iPhone, through VLC) and that makes the combination of the two pretty hard to beat as a walk-around setup.
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Jun 8, 2018
mindhead1
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Jun 8, 2018
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RayFI have used VLC to play FLAC on iPad. I view the iPad as a portable solution and not a mobile one. Mostly I use it if I'm listening away from my normal listening area (my office) Around the house.
Jun 8, 2018
RayF
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Jun 8, 2018
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mindhead1I agree--portable, rather than mobile--but I'd rather read email and respond to my many MD detractors on an iPad, rather than my phone ;- )
Jun 8, 2018
bootster1
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Feb 22, 2019
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jyotshakI agree with everything you said, except that you can't compare the price of a computer or cell phone with the price of a dedicated audio component when discussing the merits of sound quality. The $1,300 spent on the MAC is to obtain a computer that has an audio output, while the $500 is to get a cell phone, again with an audio output. Both are compromises as far as audio output is concerned. Your comments on power output is also not something that has to do with the topic at hand. We want to know which one produces better sound quality, not the power output. You were right to suggest that the cell phones will be capable of a higher quality output than the laptop, as most consumers who purchase a cell phone are inclined to use them as audio devices as well as a phone. That alone dismisses the MAC from even having better sound output than an apple cell phone. You are spot on when you took that comparison into consideration here. One thing that has been overlooked in this conversation is the fact that a premium audio /DAC based component is able to bypass the OS of the device entirely when demanding the best sound it can produce, in the case of FIIO products anyway. One of the FIIO devices that I have, the FIIO X7 MkII, has a music mode that eliminates the Android OS entirely to produce the best sound possible. That mode of operation isn't available on MAC computers, and/or other computers/laptops. You have to get pretty deep into the specifications to see that this mode of operation is the best output quality possible on any audio device. To bypass the OS is to allow for the best possible separation and sonic qualities that an audio file can produce. In other words, the sound quality, whether it is balanced or not, is going to be the absolute best in it's final rendition. The proof is in the real specifications of these products. No one has even discussed the option to have balanced outputs on dedicated DAP/DAC's that a MAC simply is incapable of on it's own. My FIIO X7 MkII can output balanced sound, or a simply single ended output. The discussion of balanced vs single ended is beyond the scope of this conversation however. I will put the balanced output, or single ended even, of the X7 MkII or any other high quality DAP/DAC from the same DSD or FLAC file up against a MAC anytime, and there won't be any doubt as to which one reins supreme. It won't be the MAC, to be sure. An apple phone will probably sound better than the MAC computer. : )
Feb 22, 2019
jyotshak
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Mar 15, 2019
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RayFOh no no. IPad and Macbook testing was done on friend's iPad. I myself have an iPhone and a desktop along with the Aune X1s dac and amp combo...
Mar 15, 2019
RayF
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Mar 15, 2019
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bootster1Balanced=bullshit. Makes 0 difference to sound quality in a portable or mobile system.
Mar 15, 2019
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