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What do you guys think of Ganzo Knives?

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Gonzo are not a legit company, they steal designs and overall just suck. Only people who don't care about community and only care about getting the cheapest thing they can. This brand is all about trying to rip off others. No thanks. You should strongly consider boycotting them and focus on actual companies who make the community what it is.
I am working on to get Enzo’s right now. I’m working on one that looks just like a para military 2 with the axis lock. And I have to say that even the company Eafengrow has a better axis lock. They make some models that are so buttery that you can use with either the thumb, or your index finger only and slide without the bar catching up and stopping. They need to work on the axis lock. Fit and finish is good and they’re better at not having any sharp edges than they used to be. Little chamfering and bead blasting can go a long way for us users that beat the heck out of our cheap knives with moderate to heavy use daily. Blade play is avoidable and if you tighten too much for any swing in the blade, it won’t fall freely like a lot Chinese models (oh my god Civivi is king, and We which is parent to Civivi and Kizer) but with enough tension in the pivot to keep it from having any side to side play, they are very very solid. I love buying American for many reasons, but if the value on these knives can get a little better on the axis lock I’ll stop getting on the phone with benchmades quality control and stop paying $136 for bugout 535’s and stick with these. The black coated version of the 940 Osborne is amazing and the axis lock is almost perfect with a little bit tension adjustment (either take it apart and manually pull the springs back, or jam something against the axis lock and keep the tension tight overnight !) no side to side blade play makes this impressive especially with one nylon washer in there as opposed to two phosphor bronze washers. Grinds are a little off on my para military 2 clone (their version) and the grind is almost perfect aside from the tip and parts of the bevel. The Osborne knockoff swings open and closed with little force, Due to the nature of the blade length and the ability to grip the axis lock very easily (the knife was designed with an axis lock originally on the benchmade 940). Great knives— however they are a little pricey due to having kershaw offering Chinese made knives with a warranty and some perfect action and perfect fit and finish for under $20. When they can offer competitive steels and or finish then they will start to replace some of my beloved kershaws. I love my ganzos but have a place for them at home because in America there are some that are angry when the knife looks like the American company or another company - I don’t mind it. I like having both and think that the knife companies make a decent profit off of us and it’s our job to shoot for the highest quality for us, with our hard earned money. Keep it up Ganzo /- but let’s get a good axis lock that isn’t so darn stiff! Let sanrenmu know who’s boss by putting out some high end stuff for us !
Jonduncan316
Agree that Ganzo axis locks -- which they put on almost everything they do -- are fairly stiff compared to the Benchmades I have. Benchmade does it best, but with the original patent on the axis lock expiring in 2016, a number of other companies are trying it or something similar out. The Y-Start Jin02's axis lock is kind of midway between the two. More refined than Ganzo but not as rugged. You might want to give it a look, just based on what you say you're really looking for. They're good kit.
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alenkatumko
On the off chance that these are the marketing messages they appear to be made on behalf of Ganzo, here’s a little genuine feedback for the company to consider for their next knives: 1) more models with high end steel. A lot of knife people have more than enough 440 and D2 type blades. We know that 440 is fine for everyday stuff, we know D2 is an inexpensive way to get 60+ hardness, and we know that your knives have good fit and finish. But we also already own a ton of 440 steel, and want something that the edge doesn’t need as much maintenance. We already own a ton of D2 and we want steel with that hardness, but one that takes a finer edge that D2 can and resists rust and corrosion better. And we know that some grades of PM steel have become inexpensive like S30V and S35VN. Develop good techniques for heat treating and grinding them and you’ll pick up a whole new market. If you REALLY want to crack it open, go with Elmax. It is ripe for wider adoption. 2) a little more attention to the handles. Your scales and frames and liners are stout, but the grip and hand feel is where you have most room for growth. Chamfer, radius, groove, mold, sculpt - whatever. You know the Y-Start JIN02? The axis lock is inferior to the Ganzo version, they’re a bit less rugged, but their handles fit the hand much more nicely. Grip is underrated when it comes to knives. 3) some of us disassemble and reassemble knives. Your blades are good, your washers are too (although I have no idea why so many of your knives have one bronze washer and one nylon one), the pivot is usually good. Your screws and fasteners? Way too soft. Too easy to strip. You’ll get more love if you spend a couple cents more on better material there. 4) the elephant in the room: Americans are split on your knives, some like them for the quality and value, and some refuse to consider liking them. It is a mixture of tribal affinity and great empire competition as much as it is actually about the ostensible issue of intellectual property rights and the way Ganzo knives clearly echo American and Italian designs. It is possible that you’ll never get those folks on board. But more fully original designs would go a long way with some of us. We love the value and the solidity of the build, but we are overcoming similar resentments when we explore Ganzo models that closely match knives like the Griptilian, the Osborne, the Contego, the Bedlam, the Moletta, the RAT-1, the Byrds, the Bear Grylls stuff. If we felt like some of the US manufacturers were taking a little less profit on their well worn designs, providing better value versions, and generally holding up their end of the deal, we probably wouldn’t own many Ganzo knives. More original designs would help bring Firebird more in line with the American market in that regard. I would love to see you build a couple Night Morning designs, for starters... food for thought :)
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The FH21 is a great knife at that price. I'm less impressed with the FH31 but it's still good.
Ganzo’s knives are a great value. Good designs, well good reinterpretation of other knive brand designs, made with ok blade steel. If you need a good pocket knife or you are getting into knife collecting, Ganzo is worth picking up.
Great knife for the money. I have purchased two, one as a gift. The main reason for purchase was travel. At the $20 price point, I am not worried about losing it to a dishonest TSA worker or the like.
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They're really good gift knives (for non knife people) and really good beater knives. The main problem with all of these 20$ knives is really inconsistant quality issues. Generally 1/5 knives will be really bad, so buy 2, return 1.
Honestly though, save up and buy something nicer, like a kizer/tangram or steel will for 40-50$. Or a Ontario rat in D2.
method_burger
they are extremely easy to adjust. If you actually need to return even one Ganzo knife it would more than likely be a issue of taste rather than fit and finish. I own a bunch and all but one came razor sharp right out of the box.They do require some minor adjustments, but with the tweaks a Ganzo operates like a $200.00 knife. The new Ganzos have D2. I've also noted that they have changed the screws to a harder finish in blue so they are easy to spot. Also new the brass/nylon washers have been replaced with ball bearings. Ganzo seems to listen to the public more. It's a company on the move in my opinion. I EDC a F753M1-CF....lol or maybe a M3 I forget. One of the smallest Ganzos at 3 inches.
jim_archibald
i've gotten some lemons that i've had to return. (locks not working is pretty common, but amazon return/replace is spot on) as in they are not fixable, ie. lock faces ground completely incorrectly or otherwise. Also, half the time, the steel is not D2 (information from youtubers that sent these to independent facilities to get tested). Ganzo is still not a fully reputable company in my opinion, since they would pull stuff like this (along with their 440C)
Absolutely the best value knives in the game. For sub 20.00 440C that is well done. You can not beat a Ganzo. I load up on these puppies during the holidays and hand them out to friends, family and coworkers. They can’t believe how inexpensive they are when they look into the price. I just wish they would make more varieties and give them names instead of numbers
They are fun and inexpensive. I have a bunch and the 7601 and 7603 are the best. They are smooth and feel like a much more expensive knife. I have seen them for as low as $15.00. The Sanrenmu Land 910 and 910 plus series are good alternatives. They will surprise with their fit and finish and quality for 15 to 20 bucks.
I bought a few to tinker around with and practice using my wicked edge on before trying to sharpen my nicer knifes. There are definitely some QC issues but overall they are functional. I have gifted them to co-workers to encourage them to carry something rather than nothing. They have not discouraged me from buying and carrying my Benchmade and ZT's.
I like them, I like Sanrenmu, I like Enlan. The steel is excellent on most if people would thin the edge. I carry them without fear as I could absorb the loss and the paddy they evoke in seppos is hilarious. I love blade forums threads as the foam at the mouth hatred and racism about foreign products pours forth, typed on machines entirely dependent on those countries for manufacture and many others for materials.
This one is fun too.
Good knives, occasional lemon, does the job and no fear of expensive loss or modding to fit the individual better.
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septic tank? like,.. fat and full of shit? LOL (as a "yank" im highly offended ofc, yada yada, boooh! get the tortches&pitchforks ;) )
HappyCamper
Yeah BF is kind of awful. They could be an awesome site. Between charging $30 per year or whatever to allow users to sell personal knives, plus the endless stream of hall monitors with nothing to do but raise havoc over whether or not you are allowed to talk about specific knives, to the people who make reactionary nativist statements and then cry 'no politics' when someone calls them on it, it's a bit of a hellhole to be honest. Lots of great info and resources there, but it's tedious and awful to wade through.
Yes they borrow from American companies for earlier models but usually they're different enough that nobody is going to mistake a F7531 for a Protech TR-4 or a F7652 for a Benchmade 941. I think they're excellent knives for the money. The newer models seem to be based on original designs. The Ganzo/Firebird 7603 with it's "G-Lock" and ball bearing system is insanely smooth to open and close. The 7611 is a beast, I used one to help build a few miles of fence and their isn't a mark on it. My only con for Ganzo is the majority of their knives are all on the larger size. I wish they made a few more like the F7531m
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I picked up my first Ganzo a few weeks ago. I am impressed with the quality that comes at this price. Some people want to accuse them of stealing business away from popular manufactures. I don't think a person looking to drop $150+ for a name brand is looking to settle for a $25 knife. Just not the same market.
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According to Sal Glesser himself, Spyderco and Benchmade have an agreement on use of the Spydie Hole. And Emerson licenses the Wave out to multiple companies, including Spyderco. And nobody's complaining because Ganzo copied a couple little things from other brands. They have knives that are complete traces of other companies' knives. So your "but Spyderco and Benchmade do it" argument is BS. They're not the same thing at all.
Pmoore
There are $25 knives available that aren't rip-offs.
A few years ago I bought the popular G704, one in black and one green. Was very impressed with the quality for the price.
I dont own a Ganzo, but I have bought a couple Eafengrows, Kubeys, and Sanrenmus. As someone with a relatively new knife addiction and no background knowledge on the subject, other than lessons learned from using a basic Swiss Army knife over the years, I found those cheap knock-off knives very helpful. They let me try out different styles and design elements I'd read about but didn't really understand--and couldnt have truly understood--w/o some hands-on experience.
For example, is Ti really so much better than stainless steel or Al for a frame/scales/liner that it justifies the extra cost (the answer for me, at least, is "yes" to the stainless but generally "no" to Al, provided its a quailty piece; my Al Protech Newport is every bit the equal to many Ti constructed knives).
They make good throwing stars...
bought my first ganzo last week. the firebird line f753m1cf. very cool looking knife. extremely affordable for the quality. i honestly think the whole ganzo stealing design hoohaa is mostly an american thing.
of course as an american you'd prefer to support your american brands. as for someone who can't afford even 50$ knives due to exchange rate, spyderco or any other established brands won't lose their customer out of me since i can't even afford it in the first place.
syafiqsharif
What gets me is that some American knives import parts from overseas and assemble here in America. The question has to be are American made knives worth their price. After handling a few Ganzo's, I doubt it. For my need, 440c will hold up just fine.
You can't beat Ganzo in value dollar for dollar. The problem with Ganzo is that it will never make you satisfied if you are into knives unless you are extremely lucky. You can tune a Ganzo to work better. You can fix any grind inconsistencies. You can modify parts of the knife that are useless. The problem is, by the time you are done you are better off buying the original design. If Ganzo made their own designs, they'd put many American companies into the grave.
All the people crying about how Ganzo steal from American companies need to get a grip on life. No one respects US trademarks and copyrights outside the USA, nor should they because that's the way the world works. If BM wants to be recognized as the best knife company in the world, they need to have the best quality, value, and service. After owning several BM knives, BM can only deliver on one of the three. Like other posters have said, stop raising prices and forcing MAP and maybe I'd respect these "premier" companies again.
I'm an unrepentant owner of Chinese and American made knives. I put my BM clips on my Ganzos, get mad!
Maybe benchmade wouldn't be getting knocked off if they actually updated their line and stopped creeping prices up year after year.
My BM940 was 110 dollars when i bought it, and s30v was the new hotness at the time.
Good luck finding one under 170 bucks now.
"Oh, you want something from benchmade with any kind of titanium whatsoever? that'll be 500 dollars asking price. Yes, we know everyone else is doing it for half that price with better designs. "
Ganzo sure is making knockoffs, but they're doing god's work in keeping do-nothing companies like benchmade in check.
Flat-out wrong. The knives they're ripping off for the most part aren't intended to be crappy beater knives. They're thoughtful designs, arguably works of art, with ergos and materials intended to work together to provide superior cutting tools. You can get any number of beaters designed to be beaters. If you want a great knife for a low cost that you're not afraid to abuse then Kershaw, CRKT, Ontario knives, etc have plenty of knives that should be perfect for you and aren't ripping off anyone else's work. These are for people who like the look of nicer knives but don't want to spend the money, and in my opinion that's no better than buying counterfeit shoes or ripping DVDs. Stealing is stealing, period.
Plus, if you're paying $100+ for a knife and you're afraid to abuse it, you're either ignorant/incompetent (I don't say that insultingly; those are just the words for it) when it comes to understanding the uses of various knife designs and properly using and caring for those knives, or you're buying some overpriced, poorly made knives. My LionSteel KUR cost me almost $200, and it's been to hell and back and never once let me down. Yes, sharpening that Sleipner steel is more of a chore than the lousy Walmart kitchen knife steel on these Ganzos, but it holds its edge much longer and won't bend or snap if I have to pry something. You would've gone through 4 or 5 of these Ganzos in the space of time I've used and abused my genuine LionSteel, and I'll still be using it for years to come while you're buying your 20th replacement. So you're not even saving money.
Astrodinosaur
Frankly, I doubt one knife maker in America has NOT copied a design. Why is Ganzo the sacrificial cow? Slaughter Benchmade for stealing the spider hole! Hang Spyderco too, they use the curve. Hell put 'em all in jail. As I see it, the problem is, Ganzo is often preferred to more expensive U.S. made knifes, and big knife companies don't like the competition. Thus the big B/S propaganda campaign. Ganzo really doesn't compete at their level. I'd bet that a person buying a Ganzo most likely wouldn't spend $250.00 on a pocket knife anyway.
jim_archibald
That's absurd. A single design element being similar isn't the same as stealing every line of the knife, adding a small twist, slapping your own brand on it and pretending it's a new product, which Ganzo has repeatedly done. They thrive in their theft because they're a Chinese company operating in the same was as so many other Chinese companies: with zero regard for patent laws and committing blatant IP theft without anything even resembling consequences. It's also absurd to claim that it's a BS propaganda campaign because people buying Ganzos wouldn't buy the nice knives anyway. First of all, the Instagram knife community is proof otherwise, as with very little effort you can find a ton of people with pictures of Ganzos in their feed right next to pictures of much nicer knives, so it's not just about money. Second, as I mentioned in my initial comment, there are plenty of low priced knife options available that aren't blatant rip-offs, from Kershaw to CRKT to Schrade to Buck to Byrd by Spyderco -- not mention Spyderco's lower end stuff -- and so on. People who buy Ganzo's rip-off designs are people who either don't know any better or want to own something that looks like a higher end knife without paying the price. And I realize that Ganzo has lots of designs that are their own (or seem to be, at least), but that doesn't make the rip-offs any better. And I'll grant that they're still better than the companies making and selling counterfeit knives, but that's a very low bar.
I know that people like boutique knives that look good and are really expensive. But for your money Ganzo knives are really great. They are perfect knives for people who actually use them. If I have to do some work around the house I'm grabbing one of my ganzo's I can literally do anything I want with it and not worry about a nick or breaking a tip and ruining a $50 or $100. I've used my spyderco tri-sharpener and have gotten these really sharp. I love them. If I didn't have an addiction to brand name knives I would exclusively buy Ganzo.
deano1
Three out of four ganzos I bought had screws that stripped or turn and won't back out. Their axis like lock was very stiff. I think they're garbage and won't be buying anymore.
deano1
I haven’t needed to take mine apart, so I can’t say one way or the other. That would be a problem if I was in your situation. Do you know a brand I really like now?? TwoSun i bought 6 of them in the last year and half. They are very well machined use d2 and m480 and have some really cool designs. I love them. Check them out...
Ganzo are rip off artists. Copy designs, steals mechanical, disregards patents. Detest Ganzo.
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Jamboi2012
Ganzo does what every other knife manufacturer does and nothing more.
jim_archibald
That's such BS. Your self-justification is showing big time.
Sanrenmu and Ganzo are OEM makers for some well known knife brands. They're a bargain and make good beaters. You can use em guilt free.Use em for stuff you wouldn't use your Mcusta for
Unrepentant Chinese rip-offs of Benchmade, Spyderco, Lionsteel, Protech,etc. Some will view them as cheap, reasonably well made alternatives. Others see them as an abomination, and would rather spend more for the better materials, construction, QC, and warranty/customer support of the actual patent holders. You have to decide what's more important to you.
Not to hijack this thread, but what about Sanrenmu? That's another very affordable Chinese manufacturer. Just to see, I bought this one on Gearbest: http://www.gearbest.com/pocket-knives-and-folding-knives/pp_367461.html
I was floored by the quality when I got it! First of all, machining is top notch, tolerances are crazy, everything fits together without play or wobble (the frame lock is a joy to engage and disengage!), no blade play either, and the quality of finish is crazy high. That dragon, for example, is beautifully and deeply etched, it does not look like cheap laser etching, but rather like machine or acid etching. I did not believe my eyes and my fingers when I saw the etching.
This looks like a knife that would cost ten times as much! OK, the steel that they used is not a co-called "premium" or "super" steel (no Elmax there!), but it's very decent. According to the specs it's 12C27, used by some Laguiole, for example. That is a Swedish steel and it's been used successfully in many knives, retaining a good edge and being very rust-resistant.
All of this for twelve bucks Canadian! I mean you gift this to a young boy or girl going on camping, and they would jump around in joy for a long time!