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iskjervem
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Oct 23, 2018
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Fascinating questions. Many times have I pondered the subject of rain gear, hard shells, "breathable" hard shells, soft shells, the question of Gore-Tex vs Polartek Neoshell vs eVent vs cuben fiber, use conditions, weight vs durability, and further down, down the rabbit hole.
It basically comes down to this; IMO for fully bomb proof, completely nuking conditions, Gore-Tex still makes the most waterproof and durable product in the market (something like Arc'teryx Alpha SV), but at the expense of weight. That said, the only time that's really going to be useful to you is on top of a mountain in the middle of a blizzard. Less water proof, but more "breathable"--and keep in mind breathable is a relative term here because no waterproof fabric is going to be very breathable, you're going to be pretty dependent on pit zips for ventilation, and to that point, no fabric is going to be completely waterproof (perhaps with the exception of cuben), eventually they all wet out given enough exposure--are the eVent and Neoshell products (a current favorite of mine right now is made by Bight Gear). Another option, and one I've seriously considered in the past is the HMG "The Shell" due to the weight, but use conditions are very specific for this jacket--I would really only want to use it for hiking/backpacking with little introduction to durability issues (e.g. not bushwacking, not hard physical climbing, not ice climbing, not skiing, avoiding sharp objects, etc.).
kim.suarez
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Nov 7, 2018
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iskjervemLove your answer! Sounds like you have a ton of knowledge in this space. Glad to hear about eVent as we do have access to their fabrics, whereas not so much for Pertex or Gore. Are you familiar with Schoeller fabrics? They have a lot of great innovation in breathable waterproof and are a great partner of ours. Think Outlier and that gives a good idea of what their fabrics are like. Also, would love to hear your must-have features for a 3-layer rain jacket. Anything else other than pit zips, breathable, durable, packable, competitively-priced? What about cinching at hood or hem? Hood construction? End use basically a everyday to technical trail piece and breathable enough for high output
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Nov 7, 2018
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kim.suarezI am writing from S.E. Australia, where our needs are for durable shells in thick harsh scrub and extended rain. We get snow as well so our needs centre around high output activities in predominately mild and humid winter conditions - probably similar to UK or US pacific NW conditions but milder. New Zealand has similar conditions but their rain and snow is a magnitude greater.
Schoeller fabrics would have a market here, I think, especially in softshells which have a rather dire reputation in Australia for breathability. In true hard shells , hood design (for heads not helmets) with 2 or three points of adjustment, plenty of venting (i.e.the OR torsoflow) and longer hems are usually a winner in australian conditions. Event is well regarded here but rare due to gtex market dominance.
Not sure how much market you have down under but prices and postage prices from massdrop are starting to pick up interest in the Australian internet forums. The Dan Durston tent made a lot of impact here (in fact i ordered one) his willingness to engage on local forums was a massive deal. Massdrop collaborations are a natural fit.
kim.suarez
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Nov 8, 2018
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Sounds great about needs and feature set! I'll take a deeper look at the OR Torsoflow. All the points definitely sound like the direction I'm hoping to go towards. Interesting about eVent! Maybe I should sample in their fabric as well too. And glad to hear there's more excitement in Australia for Massdrop products. It sounds like shipping can be pricey in most cases? I'm trying to work on more projects similar to the Durston tent and that level of design and innovation. It was 100% Dan that made that project so successful though!
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