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Heefty
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If it were up to me I'd grab a Topping D10 and pair it with my favorite $100 amp. O2 is a bit under-powered for HD 6XX but sounds vastly better with them than other under-powered amps. Magni 3 can drive them reasonably well. I like Aune T1 as well, but I generally stay away from combo units these days. Really there are many amps to choose from. I'd sample them and see what I prefer if I were you.
Jul 5, 2018
AwokenBoi
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What is the price of the Aune T1 ?
The Topping D10 is in my Top 3 list, it seems to be a really good choice, a bit ugly, but that's subjective
I wanted to buy the Modi 2 Uber but with the rate exchange and the shipping fees, it becomes too expensive for me (The Schiit stack with the Modi 2 Uber goes up to ~330$ CAD)
However, I read that the HD6XX sounds better with a tube amp, is that true ?
Jul 5, 2018
Heefty
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Jul 5, 2018
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T1 sells for ~$200US often. It looks like it's coming up at $250US at the moment though.
Tube vs. solid state amp is always a hot debate. People say that solid state is more accurate and portrays the recording better for that reason. People say tubes give a more intimate sound and better sound stage and imaging. Personally I use both when the mood suits me. I spend the most time on SS though, but it's not due to sound preference. I actually prefer tubes for music.
Jul 5, 2018
AwokenBoi
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But does tube amp give better imaging and soundstage ? Because it is something important for me. If I can get better imaging I'll prefer tube amp
Jul 5, 2018
Heefty
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I think so, yes, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who will argue that with me.
Jul 5, 2018
AwokenBoi
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Is it possible to find some tube amps around 100-150$ ?
Jul 5, 2018
Dubharmonic
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Jul 6, 2018
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The cheapest tube amp that's not junk is probably the Schiit Valhalla 2 at $349 USD.
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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I'll pass I think :D (for the moment)
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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Tho, I still can't choose what to take. I can go with a Fulla 2 and a Magni 3, but no S/PDIF input. I can go with a topping D10, but I'll have to wait my Amp for that etc.
Jul 6, 2018
Dubharmonic
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Jul 6, 2018
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If I were you I'd buy 1 piece at a time. You could get a Magni 3 and use your current source(s) with it, save $100, and then get a better DAC later on. The HD6XX will scale up with your future upgrades.
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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I've already thought about that. I thought that I can only buy an amp without a DAC, and plug it directly into my computer but I don't think it's a good idea
Jul 6, 2018
Heefty
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It's not a bad approach to buy an amp first and just run it from whatever onboard DAC you have available. The amp is going to make a bigger difference on the sound than the DAC. You can always add a stand-alone DAC down the road.
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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I'll go with that choice then.
Do you think that the Magni 3 will be enough good for the HD6XX ?
Jul 6, 2018
Heefty
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It can drive it with some overhead. It's probably the cheapest amp I know of that you don't have to build yourself that can claim that. It's definitely worth considering.
Jul 6, 2018
ElectronicVices
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Jul 6, 2018
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Most of the options for DAC's at the listed price point will lack spdif, if that is something you truly need you may want to expand the budget a bit and go for the Modi Uber. The D10 and Modi Uber are some of the best options in the entry level DAC segment IMO. The D10 is great if you want to try some DSD and the Modi Uber is good if you need additional connection flexibility.
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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I've read more about the S/PDIF vs USB battle-thingy, and I think that I will not take a side about it, both are nearly the same.
However, I've already did my choices. I will not take a DAC for the moment and get a good amp under 200, like the Magni 3 or something else who's a good all-rounder (good for high-impedance headphones and low-impedance IEMs), Do you have some recommandation ?
Jul 6, 2018
Heefty
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I'd take the D30 over the Schiit. It measures better, supports DSD direct transfer/DoP, and saves you $30 on Amazon or $50 on Massdrop.
Never heard the Schiit to compare that though.
Jul 6, 2018
Dubharmonic
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A different perspective on the cheap DAC options: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/cheap-dac-off-topping-d30-sdac-mimby-jds-el-dac-ifi-nano-bl.6313/
I've never heard anything from Topping, but I sure do appreciate my Modi Multibit.
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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I love how you all are talking about cheap DACs and all I wanna know is a suggestion for a good amp other than the Magni 3 :D
That said, your link is pretty interesting (and his story with his D30)
Jul 6, 2018
Dubharmonic
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I'd get a Magni 3 if you want to play it safe with dependable solid state or a Vali 2 if you're up for trying a tube hybrid.
There are also some Magni 2 here for only $49! http://www.schiit.com/b-stocks
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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What's the difference between "normal" stock and b-stock ?
Jul 6, 2018
Dubharmonic
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Scroll down to the bottom of the page 🙂
Jul 6, 2018
AwokenBoi
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AwokenBoi
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ElectronicVices
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Don't get too caught up in measurements, the site of which you refer means well, but I have serious reservations over his attention to detail when testing. If you've seen the Audio Precision presentation video on testing and distortion you'll know what I mean. I am speaking to features for the price as I doubt the vast majority of folks would be able to tell them apart assuming similarly budgeted companion gear. There aren't a whole lot of options at $150 for a DAC with outboard power, 192khz/24bit support spdif connections and a decent warranty. There are also not a whole lot of quality DSD capable DAC's in it's price point which makes the D10 standout there. I've used the schiit stack when my buddy was auditioning it. He's also tested the DAC's I have here (Dragonfly 1.2, Emotiva XDA-1, and Teac UD-501). He preferred the dragonfly for the cost/benefit ratio but didn't notice much difference between the DAC's. I can't say I spent enough time to be able to speak in detail on the Modi's sound but there was certainly nothing wrong with it. My buddy returned it to save money, not because he disliked the way it sounds. The USB powered aspect of the D10 is less than ideal for my preferences. The D30 is also along the same lines as the Schiit in features so could easily be added to the options.
Jul 7, 2018
ElectronicVices
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Jul 7, 2018
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The HD650 is not as hard to drive as some people make it out to be. It scales quite well with additional investment in gear however. Amps sub $200 that I would look at would be:
O2 - fairly cheap, works with vast majority of gear, always felt a bit "lifeless" to me but solid state gear tends to sound pretty similar if the headphones are getting enough power.
Magni 3 versatile with power to spare. Handy if you plan to add planar technology the extra power could come in handy.
Vali 2 - if you want to try some tubes on the cheap, no personal time with this one but I own a Lyr so I am at least familiar with Schiit's hybrid gear.
Left field choice: Dragonfly Red - I don't have personal experience with this one but my 1.2 has been wonderful. The 1.2 provides almost enough power for my HD650 and the Red has more power on tap while also allowing MQA if Tidal is your thing.
Jul 7, 2018
AwokenBoi
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Jul 7, 2018
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Ok, thank you !
Jul 7, 2018
Dubharmonic
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Many people won't hear the differences between those options or even their onboard sources, which is fine. Some will though, and it sucks to be a noob in this hobby because there's no easy way to know if you're going to be one of those golden ears.
Jul 7, 2018
AwokenBoi
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ElectronicVices
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This is why my friends like coming over and checking out gear. The aforementioned buddy decided he didn't need a crazy headphone setup but really likes his 6XX on a dragonfly 1.2. I've got another pair of friends coming over tonight to check out more of my gear. They've both picked up HD650's and are a bit more rabid for headphone goodness.
Jul 7, 2018
Dubharmonic
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Jul 7, 2018
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That's cool and all, but very few people new to this have friends with entry level setups much less mid to high level. It always drove me nuts wondering where diminishing returns would be for me personally. Don't you guys feel that way too?
Jul 7, 2018
ElectronicVices
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I don't think that feeling ever really goes away for some. I would love to know a friend with either the PS Audio Stellar GCD or the Mytek Brooklyn+ but sadly I don't know anyone that plays in that bracket of audio enthusiasm. In the end there is always going to be a risk that the more expensive gear just isn't worth it (to you). This is why I don't recommend anyone go too crazy too fast. Make changes slowly so you can appreciate (or not) any differences as your signal chain evolves. Let your ears be your guide, everyone has a different set of those as well as budget.
Jul 7, 2018
Dubharmonic
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My point being that our ears can't be our guide until we get to hear.
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ElectronicVices
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Lots of places offer return policies (not here obviously) so if one is unsure buy from a place that will let you return it. And I'm agreeing with you while adding the caution to newbies to not go outlay a large sum of money on gear that they've never heard on a whim. Don't go from say a pair of M50's on your motherboard audio to an HD800S with a Woo Audio WA22 headphone amp and an Yggdrasil. That same person may have been fully satisfied with an HD6XX and a schiit or topping setup but jumped straight to the "top" because of what they read online.
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