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Heefty
1387
May 25, 2016
I see a lot of discussion in audiophile forums and even here on Massdrop about whether or not you need an amp to drive headphones with x impedance.
Need being the wrong word for what is really being asked aside; the answer is always, "YES!" shouted as loudly as you can without scaring someone. You certainly don't need it, but you certainly will benefit from it in terms of sound quality.
There are better and worse amplifiers and this article(is that what these are called?) touches on that a little but alludes more to a necessity to drive higher impedance cans. An ideal amplifier can drive an infinite slew rate and source infinite current to drive any load to the target voltage it's trying to output. It's not physically possible for an amp to do that but the closer you can get to that ideal, the closer you'll get to recreating the original signal (or a higher magnitude version of it at least). Higher output power means better signal reproduction and a more responsive amplifier not that it will blow up your low impedance cans. It certainly can do that too, but won't unless you're doing something wrong.
Can you drive 32Ω headphones with your iPhone? Yes, but they will always sound better being driven by an amplifier with a higher output power rating and that's just physics. The output amp on your phone is a trade-off between performance and battery life, just like everything else in the device. You can get a decent little amp for ~30USD that has ~2x the output power capacity of an iPhone (or most any other mobile phone) if you're on that kind of budget.
Armaegis
127
May 26, 2016
Heefty@Heefty>>Higher output power means better signal reproduction and a more responsive amplifier
It really doesn't, but that's a long discussion for another day.
Heefty
1387
May 26, 2016
ArmaegisIsn't that the point of this forum?
Armaegis
127
May 26, 2016
HeeftyAlright... I'm just questioning your statement of higher output leading to better reproduction, because I disagree entirely. This coming from a guy who owns an HE-6 and boarded the train to crazy town long ago using monoblocks to drive his headphones.
Heefty
1387
May 27, 2016
ArmaegisThere's a lot more than that goes into it, such as the power supply to the amplifier itself and the sensitivity of the headphone, but that's still part of the same equation. That is something of an overly simplistic statement, but physics is what it is and I'm not going to argue with it. You can feel free to, if you feel that your anecdotal evidence trumps it though.
There will be a point where the higher power amp won't improve perceived sound quality anymore because the frequencies that filter out with the lower slew rate will be higher than the human audio band. So I'll concede that point. There's still a clear difference between the 27mW an iPhone can source and the 270mW that a FiiO e11k for example can source to the same load though.
Armaegis
127
May 27, 2016
HeeftyYes, the power supplies make a huge difference. Well really, the entire design of the amp. However, the ultimate power output of an amp is not an indicator of quality.
Now if your load is being underdriven (or has insufficient headroom, yadda yadda), then yes having an amp with sufficient power is likely going to sound better than the underpowered one that's clipping or running into its distortion limits. It's possible the high power amp sounds like crap regardless of headroom too though.
I'm not sure what point you're making about the slew rates. If your slew rate was insufficient to actually reproduce the signal, someone screwed up very very badly (you'd practically have to be deliberate to mess that up). You do not want a super high slew rate either as that can lead to other problems.
oliwek
7
May 28, 2016
Heefty"Can you drive 32Ω headphones with your iPhone? Yes, but they will always sound better being driven by an amplifier with a higher output power rating and that's just physics."
you should have written : they will always sound louder (not always better). Sensitive/low impedance headphones designed for portability don't sound necessary better with an external amp. There are many cases where, volume matched, the quality of the sound will be the same, and you won't even (blindly) recognize when amped or when played directly from a DAP. Now of course if the amp colours the sound (if it introduces distortion), as tube amps do, that's another debate. And many (not so portable/sensitive) cans always sound better when amped.
Armaegis
127
May 28, 2016
oliwekPoorly implemented solid state will colour the sound just as much as poorly implemented tubes. If we're talking *very* broad generalizations though, an SS amp slapped together from a textbook schematic will probably high lower level (but probably higher order) distortion than a similar slapshot tube amp. Of course, we must also take into account that many tube amps may intentionally have certain distortion characteristics built in because that's what people expect, and expectation is what sells.
Heefty
1387
May 31, 2016
oliwekI'm referring to the actual signal reproduction when I speak to sound quality. The headphones will not sound louder unless you are doing something wrong with your volume settings but the sound quality will still be better from a headphone amp for a given volume.
Here's my anecdotal evidence since it appeals more to some: I'm using the most sensitive circumaural cans I've ever come across on my portable rig (AKG K267 with 112-117dB sensitivity depending on who measured it), but I still don't like to listen without my FiiO e11k because it brings out so much more clarity and detail (and soundstage and headroom and...) than straight from any portable source I've used it with. Granted, I've not tried them with a really good DAP but most of those that are built for high quality audio will be built with a good output amp anyway so they must be viewed differently than a smartphone.
Jozi
1
May 17, 2018
oliwek" And many (not so portable/sensitive) cans always sound better when amped."
Sounds like you're contradicting yourself with that last sentence. If the point you're making is that more power does not lead to better sound that is.
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