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Elrick
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Elrick
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Sep 2, 2017
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KoorsI know that BUT I follow the Intel Crowd, when they always state that their plain 4 core i7 cpu's are all referred to as 8 cores. Counting the extra fake cores as "Hyperthreading".
So now I refer to AMD's version of doubling the cores as another version of Intel's, counting the 'fake cores' as extra's.
Just playing the game, besides the AMD 'Threadripper' 1920x is actually a "24" core monster, please be precise about that ; )
So now I refer to AMD's version of doubling the cores as another version of Intel's, counting the 'fake cores' as extra's.
Just playing the game, besides the AMD 'Threadripper' 1920x is actually a "24" core monster, please be precise about that ; )
legonate416
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Sep 2, 2017
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ElrickIf you refer to 4c/8t i7 as a full 8 cores, you would get shot down on any tech forum in existence. Hyperthreading or SMT is in no way 12 actual cores. It is 6 cores and 12 threads, where the core is split up to handle more threads.
It is NOT more cores, and the "Intel Crowd" doesn't think any differently.
It is NOT more cores, and the "Intel Crowd" doesn't think any differently.
keantoken
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Sep 2, 2017
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ElrickHOWEVER, the 1500X has a bit higher single-threaded performance than the others. So can you actually use more than 8 threads? If not, why pay more for something that will actually perform worse for your use case?
Elrick
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Sep 3, 2017
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legonate416Just have a look at all the RETAILERS specifying that ALL of their i7 four core range has "8 Cores".
If that isn't a blatant lie to fool the idiots out there then what is?
All I did was specify the current lie that was laid down FIRST by Intel Corp., all those years ago when they were desperate to deal with AMD's first dual core release.
Intel just keeps pushing out that lie so even AMD eventually climbed on board the bus of deceit, heading towards record profits. If it works on the masses why try to change anything by supplying them with the actual truth?
In this current world the LIE works far better then any real version of the truth, please look around you to notice that fact.
If that isn't a blatant lie to fool the idiots out there then what is?
All I did was specify the current lie that was laid down FIRST by Intel Corp., all those years ago when they were desperate to deal with AMD's first dual core release.
Intel just keeps pushing out that lie so even AMD eventually climbed on board the bus of deceit, heading towards record profits. If it works on the masses why try to change anything by supplying them with the actual truth?
In this current world the LIE works far better then any real version of the truth, please look around you to notice that fact.
Elrick
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Sep 3, 2017
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keantokenThis is with the current drivers supplied by AMD, the real performance of this hardware isn't anywhere near it's final goal.
With every new release of drivers do expect an increase in performance especially when Microsoft has been working with Intel hardware for more than 30 years now.
Always give the newcomer some time to develop their software and AMD will not disappoint with any of their new cpu range that has been released. These are glorious times now that even Intel dreads, so when the biggest thug in the World is running scared it can only mean the little guy has something serious in their arsenal.
With every new release of drivers do expect an increase in performance especially when Microsoft has been working with Intel hardware for more than 30 years now.
Always give the newcomer some time to develop their software and AMD will not disappoint with any of their new cpu range that has been released. These are glorious times now that even Intel dreads, so when the biggest thug in the World is running scared it can only mean the little guy has something serious in their arsenal.
keantoken
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Sep 3, 2017
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ElrickNot comparing it to intel, I was replying to the OP. A few years ago I got the FX8350 thinking all the cores would help me, but now I know I probably would have been happier with less cores and more single-threaded speed (and a cooler machine), since that is what mainly determines responsiveness on a desktop system. My usual workloads don't usually take more than 3 cores, but even if so the 1500X is still faster than the FX8350 on full core usage despite having half as many physical cores. So, with the 1500X I don't pay more for something I don't need (and can use that money on things that will actually make my life better). BTW, I use Linux.
legonate416
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Sep 3, 2017
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ElrickI dunno what you're smoking but Amazon says the 6700k and 7700k and all the other quad core i7s are quad core... Nothing about being 8 cores. Unless of course you're looking at the 5960x.
MrSmity101
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Sep 18, 2017
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legonate416They are meaning 4 cores hyper threaded meaning it has 8 processors total
Elrick
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Sep 18, 2017
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MrSmity101CORRECT.
Good to know someone gets this current technology whilst most here on MD, still don't get it and might never understand it.
Good to know someone gets this current technology whilst most here on MD, still don't get it and might never understand it.
legonate416
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Sep 19, 2017
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ElrickI fully understand this technology, I've only been a PC enthusiast for the last two years, that's all. But I see no retailer claiming it is anything more than hyperthreading. And your previous statement of saying that retailers claim they are 8 core processors is obviously wrong.
SXL1
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Sep 27, 2017
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ElrickNo enthusiast would ever call a 4c/8t cpu an 8 core cpu. Hyperthreading and SMT just let other threads take advantage of unused processing power in the pipeline every clock cycle. If a thread is fully saturating a core then SMT does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and trying to run something on one of the logical SMT cores will result in LESS performance. You'll get nowhere near 8 core performance from an SMT 4 core cpu and it's misleading for anyone, especially a retailer, to refer to it as such. MAX you'll get is 30% more performance from SMT, but there's also cases where you'll LOSE performance.
Bobert
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Jan 29, 2018
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ElrickPlease post links to " all the RETAILERS" calling "ALL" of their i7's 8 core processors.
Best Buy: "Intel® - Core i7-7700K Quad-Core 4.2 GHz Desktop Processor" Amazon: Core i7 - 7700k "Processor Count 4" Newegg: "i7-7700K Kaby Lake Quad-Core "
Best Buy: "Intel® - Core i7-7700K Quad-Core 4.2 GHz Desktop Processor" Amazon: Core i7 - 7700k "Processor Count 4" Newegg: "i7-7700K Kaby Lake Quad-Core "
Elrick
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Feb 1, 2018
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binlidI purchased these;
https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
Have worked perfectly at their registered full speed, only after updating with the latest firmware of the Asus B350-F Strix motherboard.
You'll be happy with this memory kit : )
https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
Have worked perfectly at their registered full speed, only after updating with the latest firmware of the Asus B350-F Strix motherboard.
You'll be happy with this memory kit : )
EvilOdious
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Mar 14, 2018
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ElrickImportant to note that cheaper memory kits with the same speed and timings, (that are also samsung B-Die) will have the same compatibility, still reccommend the BIOS update though.
Elrick
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Mar 14, 2018
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EvilOdiousCorrect, there are those memory kits BUT I stick with what works and the ones I got from Newegg even works with a brand new 1800X installed into an MSI Titanium X370.
Just stick with the recommendations from the manufacturers and you'll have a 24/7 setup that never fails you.
Just stick with the recommendations from the manufacturers and you'll have a 24/7 setup that never fails you.
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Currently using this chip with an Asus B350-F Strix motherboard. Simply divine ; )