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Just to add some input here for anyone on a search, joystick needs vary heavily from game to game. The TM Warthog, for instance, is designed specifically to emulate the joystick of the A-10 warthog, so there is only 2 axes of control on the joystick itself - for pitch and roll. For yaw control, foot pedals are typically used. For space games, yaw control on the stick, as well as a joystick on either the throttle or stick (preferably on throttle) is essential for 6Dof, or 6 degrees-of-freedom, which includes not only traditional forward thrust, but also reverse, vertical, and lateral thrust. It is also important to note these are not high-end options. For HOTAS, the Thrustmaster T-16000M occupies a good low-mid tier option, at $150. The *Logitech* X56 and *Logitech* X52 Pro are mid-tier. I specifically mention Logitech because they bought the Saitek product portfolio from Mad Catz in 2016. Any product listed as Saitek is outdated, and the Saitek products had some design flaws and QC issues which seem to have improved somewhat with the Logitech buyout. Between the X56 and X52, the X52 Pro is more ergonomic, but the X56 has many more functions. X52 Pro includes no analog joystick for lateral and vertical thrust, and the throttle has tactile bumps and extra friction towards maximum throttle to simulate afterburners in atmospheric simulators. Both are fairly light in construction, meaning they may move around in normal use without being secured to your desk. (Though the X52 Pro includes suction cups for glass-top desks.) For high-end HOTAS setups, VPC and VKB are king.
Missing vkb slaw device mfg and others, great coverage on the low end but almost nothing on the high end which is where are the great new innovations have been the last few years
biotoxin
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You'll never get volume discounts or the quantity needed from vkb, virpil or slaw. Best bet would be either Logitech or the tm flight pack
For an entry-level HOTAS, the T.16000M is far superior to anything from Saitek and less expensive. Maybe their quality control has improved since the brand was acquired by Logitech, but that still doesn't improve the nonsensical ergonomics. The Rhino series looks like a 10 year old's idea of a fighter control stick and the ergonomics follow that line of thinking. See this review for more detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0mTd0SOLg
The T.16000M from Thrustmaster on the other hand (no pun intended) has excellent ergonomics; all of the knobs and buttons are easily reachable by a person without exceptionally long fingers and the stick is fully ambidextrous (you can even purchase the stick standalone to make a dual stick setup for space sims). The stick uses the same outstanding hall effect sensor from the much more high end Warthog.
Sure, it doesn't have the cute silkscreen, the fancy toggle switches, or the split throttle, but the T.16000M is a HOTAS you'll actually use instead of a large and rather useless toy. Get the flight pack that includes a set of rudder pedals, it's still cheaper than the Rhino.
is this poll still alive.. im new in here
BoraTHTL
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Well I just voted
I do love the Warthog. It's one axis less than the Rhino though. Know nothing of the gametrix and defender, will check them out. I feel like a 10 year old... Star Citizen, No Man's Sky, Limit Theory, Elite Dangerous.... What is going on?
The Cougar and G940 are no longer being manufactured, so it's no use voting for those.
kekonn
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Really damn i've got a G940 and it's really good Shame, Its one of the only ones with dedicated alloge trim
Woo! Rhino just hit 200, congrats! Hope it gets dropped soon.
Come oooonnn Thrustmaster! :)
I added the Gametrix ECS and Defender Cobra M5
So far I love the Defender Cobra M5
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I did add a little pad to the base of the grip just to lift up my small hand a little bit.
Hey, for anyone who's looking at this poll, it's been brought to my attention that there is another poll with quite a lot of attention that can be found here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/high-quality-hotas
By all means feel free to continue voting on this one, as it's not like you can only vote on one poll at a time, but the one I linked has already garnered a response from a Massdrop rep, so things might be underway already.