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Hi-Fier
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Jan 26, 2017
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These are NOT better than the Heaven III for $69.99. Go get the Heaven III's instead.
Jan 26, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 26, 2017
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Do you have M4?
Jan 26, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 26, 2017
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At least, M4 must be versatile than H3. Moreover, It's less than half price than H3. You guys only listen to some vocal and give such a judgment, make no sense at all.
Jan 26, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 26, 2017
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So what you're saying is that the Heaven III, which costs more than twice as much, is the better earphone based on your experiences owning and/or listening to both, while also taking into consideration your personal listening preference? Makes sense. Thanks for the suggestion.
Jan 26, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Enjoy your $20.00 earphone which are probably really $10.00 -$13.00 to make. There are better offerings out there. These are not amazing or anything. Very laid back treble, no clarity in highs. Ok bass but not fast or accurate. They will not out do a balanced custom driver for accuracy and speed and clarity which the Heaven are. Get both and see for yourself.
Also a serious IEM wil NOT have an inline mic on it. Serious quality IEM's are used on a serious DAP's and equipment. If they have a mic they are for phones and an IEM that has a mic on it to do calls is for phones aren't serious audio quality devices . Anything that has a mic inline is not audiophile quality and is not designed to be. Serious audiophile gear does not and should not have a .70 cent costing button mic inline ie: Final Audio does not among others. It's cheesy think about it.
Find one $800.00 IEM that does, or a custom one, you won't. You bottle neck the quality of the cable (if it's even high quality) going though a circuit board and buttons and a mic. It's also just another thing to break or fail or wear out over time. No thanks. Keep it high quality all they way to the driver with a high quality OFC or Silver etc.
If you want something basic these are good and better compared to Apple or Jbuds or Skullcandy.
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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What do you mean laid back treble? Did you really hear it? Not everyone like BAs stupid fast decay, emotionless sound. Moreover, it can be only good for vocal! Heaven is reputed and I believe it's good. Actually it's Heaven 3 designed to be used on smartphone. It's very sensitive. M4 is much harder to drive. It's as hard to drive as Havi. Your Heaven is ending soon. Be hurry, get your second pair, third pair, fouth pair... lol
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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BTW, learn some basic logic. From the proposal - "Good (high end) phones do not have mic" you cannot derive the conclusion - "phones with mic are not good."
Jan 27, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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What are you comparing to what is "Good?" Anyways, learn what "High Quality Audio" or the definition of "Audiophile" means too. Guess you never hear of anything high quality or high end. Also guess you never heard the saying "It's only as good as the weakest link." A mic inline IS the weakest link. Go ahead and put Walmart tires on your Lambo.
Even the graph on these is all over the place. Graphs don't always mean everything cause people can't hear well etc. but it does show they are not neutral, not by far. If you want neutral look at RE-400. They are true high quality neutral that have excellent timbre and spaciousness and nothing is overlapping nor bloated.
You can't answer calls on a DAP, why cause it't not a cell phone! Duh! These are made for a cell phone s which are full of interference and plagued with cheap Chinese DAC's inside. Only recently the LG V10 is a good phone/DAP. If you use these on a LG V10 that makes more sense as that is what these are for. Anything else is just for on the go not serious as a pure true DAP with a dedicated DAC.
Plus you failed to link or show me $800.00 or more IEM's then that have a mic. Prove me wrong! Good luck. LOL
Jan 27, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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I already have a pair as others (many other do) and there are already a huge following for years for Final Audio Heaven II and their other models. No they are not JUST for vocal. They are for all genre. They just have VERY GOOD vocal quality where as most IEM's are overly bloated with bass and that spills into the mid range. Even the Havi's sound muddy compared to the Heaven. They are a bloated mess. YES I have them and heard them and they are overly hyped as much as the Vsonic VDS3s. Total vocal bloated sloppy mess.
Not even multi drivers can compare to a well designed balanced driver. Final Audio is legendary and you can't compare a custom balanced driver for dynamic. Dynamic is old archaic technology and sounding. The best accurate sounding anything is balanced armatures and custom one's are even better. You probably will never have heard anything better than $50.00 of anything so what you don't know won't hurt you and that's fine. Enjoy your IEM. Even the graph is a mess. Even the RE-400 for $10.00 more is WAY better if you want accuracy and clarity with perfect timbre and no sibilance.
No the Heaven is not for phones, never will be and never has been. Not sure where you ever got that information and it's completely wrong. They are just very efficient nothing else.
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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I don't care whatever audiophile. Audiophile is for musician who play music for a living. I'm a layman, I just want to enjoy music. To many nonmuscians, audiophile means no bass. lol You still didn't get my point and seems you know little about reasonable argument. Will never talk with you on the issue of mic.
Jan 27, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Just get the M4 and enjoy. If you are a layman that just want to enjoy music these are good. Have a nice one. :)
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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I'm not a BAs guy. But I respect people like you who are BA guys. Both BAs and DDs have their own strengthes and shortcomings. At most, you can only say Heavens are your taste. I have IE800, which is much better than those BAs. More details, more dyanmic, moreover, then you know what is bass. Oh, sorry, I forgot you are audiophile, you do not need bass. lol
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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I'm still struggling to get a Heaven 3. I have and had BA IEMs. I enjoy them, but only for a while. I didn't liten to them more than 1 hour. They have little time in my ears. BAs are not my taste. Maybe wait for used H3 to try.
Jan 27, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Even BA need time to break in and get used to the clean accuracy but if you don't like them that's ok. :)
Try the Ostry then. You will like them, they are excellent . You won't want the one's off Massdrop as they are the KC06A. Go to Amazon and get the KC06 they are cheaper. You will love them! They are dynamic drivers.
I have them and they are WAY more musical than the Havi and better built and don't need an amp like the Havi do and are VERY VERY detailed with great bass. They are tad on the edge sibilant but with tip rolling or comply's they are very good. :) They are mid forward too and they handle all genre well. I've had mine for 2 years and they are well made.
I had the Havi and they broke with no usage. The shell cracked as they were sold as new from Havi but were really factory refurbished. You will take your chances. I was lucky to get my money back 100% as I proved they were not NEW. I will not give them a penny again.
Good luck.
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Thank you for the suggestion! So you mean KC06 is better than KC06A? Sincerely appreciate if you could give more comments? I'll also do some research. Thanks again!
Jan 27, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Welcome. As mentioned the KC06A are better than Havi.
Now here is the difference between the two KC06 and KC06A.
Both KC06 and KC06A deliver with a top notch performance!  Starting with KC06, Is a very well balanced sound with a touch of mid-centric brightness.  Starting with a bass, you get a great quality with a detailed performance.  Can clearly hear separation of sub-bass and mid-bass, but sub-bass quantity is just there to give sound a body rather than a rumbling to make you feel it.  Mid-bass punch is snappy and quite satisfying. The bass feels a step above of the reference performance, and it's pleasantly well controlled within it's frequency range.  Mids are very detailed, clear, slightly upfront but still in great balance with the rest of the sound.  Their performance translates into great vocal delivery, very organic, with a touch of brightness, but still smooth.  Treble is well extended, detailed, with enough brightness without being too overwhelming, and still very easy on your ears.  For the comparison, if I consider RE400 to have warm reference sound, KC06 has a balanced reference sound.
Now, the KC06A kicks it up a notch into a direction of a more commercial sound signature with a slight v-shape cut (relative to KC06).  Luckily, they did it a smart way without doing any extreme tuning to kill the mids which sounds a bit warmer in comparison to KC06.  The bass here gets a refreshed quantity of rumbling sub-bass that can even put a smile on some bassheads.  You still get a great separation between sub and mid bass where the later one is on par with KC06 performance.  Bass is still well controlled without spilling into lower mids or the rest of frequency range.  Mids are still detailed but now just a bit recessed to bring up a power of the low end.  Ostry didn't reduce the quality of the mids except for smoothing out some brighter peaks, and just slightly scaled down the quantity while keeping most of the original attributes from KC06.  Treble is still well extended, has a similar crisp performance without any hint of sibilance.  Also, don't find any significant difference in sound-stage width.  A principal change from KC06 and KC06A is enhanced/additional sub-bass and slightly recessed warmer mids. 
Now, when it comes to ergonomics of the design and it's comfortable fitment and the sound signature - both KC06 and KC06A are identical that can be worn over the year or under.
Most importantly the KC06A that is off Massdrop has a revised cable since it's newer and people have reported it failing and oxygenating causing a green color that's visible and this will eventually cause a breakage in the line. The original KC06 did not and do not have this issue. I purchased mine off Amazon from SHENZHENAUDIO for $46.00
Hope that helps.
Jan 27, 2017
tubeamplifier
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Jan 27, 2017
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Thank you SO much for the detailed informatin on them!! Yeah, KC06 seems better for my taste. I'll pay attention for it. Apprecaite!
Jan 27, 2017
Mshove44
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Jan 28, 2017
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Ultimate Ears Pro 18+ are $1500 and come with a cable with a remote
Jan 28, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 28, 2017
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The 18+ are designed for more serious enthusiasts and UE give option for mic or not. They are also detachable cables not permanent. Its not built in, not the same thing as permanent. Close but no cigar :)
Jan 28, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 28, 2017
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Welcome. :)
Jan 28, 2017
Mshove44
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Jan 28, 2017
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Well of course no IEM $800 or over would come without a detachable cable! No one would buy it.......
Jan 28, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 28, 2017
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Right as the mic is not permanently built in cause it would not be considered high quality then. The mic is only an optional convenience for a phone, and phones are not hi-fi audio gear. If you are going to buy $1,500 IEM to connect to listen to audio on a cell phone thats like buying a HD LCD tv and connect a VCR to it to with RCA cables. Pointless.
Jan 28, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 28, 2017
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So your question was pointless and nothing but bait. Right...
Jan 28, 2017
oneeyedgoose
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Jan 28, 2017
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This part always puzzle me. What problem would the mic on an IEM cause? I am starting to use the T10i more and so far so good. So not sure where is the quality issue. And to be honest, I enjoy my RHA more than the lower end (price wise) Campfire. I use the IEMs with regular phone+K18 or directly with V10/Axon7 (haven't tried extensively on V20 yet). *This is a discussion, not a challenge.*
Jan 28, 2017
Mshove44
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Jan 28, 2017
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Honestly, I don't think any human ear could actually hear a different between the two....if it sounds good to you, then it is... people are always giving there opinion on sound, but that's all it is, an opinion. How can someone tell another person something doesnt sound good if they think it does? It's like saying, blue isn't your favorite color....makes no sense
Jan 28, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 29, 2017
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I will leave you with two final points and I'm done. Go and think what you like. These are facts NOT opinions.
Fact #1. Go to any studio that either plays, monitors, edits, or records music. Look at the equipment. You will NEVER find a mic or anything inline like a remote control on any headphone. Ask them why. Anything you say further they will laugh at you.
Fact#2. DAP's are not cell phones, Fiio, AK, Cowon, Opus, etc, they never will be. A headphone or IEM that has a mic on it is purely made for a cell phones. Call any of them and say you want to be able to make a phone call on their DAP cause your $30.00 IEM has an inline mic and you want to use it. They will laugh at you.
Fact#3. If an IEM or headphone is using OFC or Silver cables, and has an inline control, it will defeat the purpose and anything inline inhibits the quality of the cable in the first place. Call any professional maker or designed or audio cables and ask for the best quality cable which will cost more than 1/2 the IEM or headphone, then ask to put a mic inline, they will laugh at you. Most cheapo $10-$50 you won't tell any difference as they don't even use quality signal cables so it won't matter.
Fact#4. Mic's inline are purely a convenience for cell phones nothing else. Cell phone are not true audio quality devices NO matter how good you think it is or can be or sounds, they just are not. Again call any DAP company, ie: Astell & Kern and say your cell phone is better than their DAP. They and even others on here will laugh at you.
If you are not serious and just an average Joe, and not serious about audio quality and can't even tell the difference between an Octive, then non of these things will matter and you will never know the difference. You fall in the "What you don't know won't hurt you" category, but also know that just because it's something you don't know does not mean it does not exist or is there, you are just oblivious to it.
Jan 29, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 29, 2017
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Some strong opinions there. What an entertaining read this thread has been. Thanks for the laughs :)
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Jan 29, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 29, 2017
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ALL FACTS. You are in the "What you don't know won't hurt you" world. Enjoy your life and audio. Nice pic is that you? :) LOL Ignorance is such a bliss. Enjoy your AKG K553 Pro that have a mic on them!
Jan 29, 2017
oneeyedgoose
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Jan 29, 2017
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Cool. Kind of hoping for a technical reason why mic signal will affect quality. And I agree with the facts. Seriousness depends on each person's point of view. And I respect your opinion, but not necessary agree to all of it. And I absolutely cannot tell the difference between an Octave. I flunk my music class back in high school. LOL Cheers.
Jan 29, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 29, 2017
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The K553 Pro comes with a mic now? Huh. How fancy.
Jan 29, 2017
jleonp
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Jan 29, 2017
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By your logic, Bugatti Beyron is not a supercar because it has air conditioner, and no other supercar has, serious supercars like pagani zonda does not have air conditiones.
Jan 29, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 29, 2017
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Sorry lame example. Of course a commercial produced can have an optional or not. Have you seen a Formula One or a drag racing car with AC? A SERIOUS racing car will not have AC. Every ounce is shaved off for weight for performance, they are not going to put a heavy AC in it. If you were an Indy car racing car designer and you put an AC in it, your car would come in last every time no matter how good your driver and everyone would laugh at you. Not even 24 hour Le Mans cars have AC, not even Rally Cars. You gave a lame example sorry. You actually justified my point even more. Thanks!
Jan 29, 2017
Mshove44
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Jan 30, 2017
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I thought your final point, was two points ago.......🤔
Jan 30, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 30, 2017
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He's just gracing us with presence so he can share more facts. Just like that the K553 Pro has a mic. FACT. Maybe "alternative fact" is a more accurate term?
Jan 30, 2017
Hi-Fier
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Jan 30, 2017
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The K553 Pro has no mic! Duh! LOL I was making a point. Get a clue.
Jan 30, 2017
TheContraptionist
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Jan 30, 2017
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Point made loud and clear, chum.
Jan 30, 2017
ajshojania
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Feb 13, 2017
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My AKG k545's came with a mic. Idk man
Feb 13, 2017
Taisser
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Apr 19, 2017
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Nice attempt at being a snob, but the treble is clearly not laid back, theat 7khz peak is enough to make anyone run, the HD800 had an 8khz peak whcih was less intense and went well on a spectral decay gaph and people said those things were bright, this has more treble in comparison to mids than the HD800 by far
Apr 19, 2017
Taisser
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Apr 19, 2017
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it doesn't unexperience audio jhipster snobs want you to believe that, audiophile bass is just tighter and more about dynamics than quantity, dynamics is thefeel of the sound. it is in no way bass light
Apr 19, 2017
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