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TomATX
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Jul 4, 2019
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Like the front pocket but wish the front section was fully enclosed. I tend to use the front pocket as place to stuff everything including small items.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 5, 2019
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TomATXThe shockcord weaving shown in the headline photo is incomplete (it goes all the way to the top). I suspect the photo people had taken the pocket off and didn't fully lace it back on. The area behind the front pocket works well for larger items like jackets, and then small stuff goes in the zip pocket. It's true that medium stuff might be too large for inside but a bit too small to be secure behind the pocket, but that stuff you can easily put in the zipper accessed side pocket (more pictures coming soon that will explain that better).
rweb82
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Jul 5, 2019
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dandurstonQuestion regarding the zippered pocket, is it flat-sewn; or does it have a bit of spacer material so that it can expand a little bit as well?
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dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 5, 2019
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rweb82The front zipper pocket is flat sewn (e.g. not pleated) so it's not that large. The left side zipper pocket is a 3D shape that has a lot of capacity. I find that most of the stuff I want on the outside of my pack is stuff that I want close at hand, so I prefer to put most of the small items (chapstick, sunscreen etc) in the hipbelt pockets, the medium items in the left side pocket (hats, bearspray, maps, snacks), phone and sunglasses in the shoulder pockets, and then there's not much stuff left over for the front pocket. I put a satellite tracker there, spare maps etc. You would want more space without the left side pocket, but with it holding all the snacks etc, there's already a lot of space for medium sized stuff.
rweb82
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Jul 5, 2019
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dandurstonGotcha. I forgot about the left side zippered pocket (no pics of that yet). This does seem like a really well-thought out pack. I currently own (and love) my ULA Ohm 2.0. But I would be willing to try this out. I don't know if you mentioned it elsewhere or not; but what is the weight/comfort rating for this pack?
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 5, 2019
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rweb82Yeah the Ohm is a sweet pack. I used an original Ohm on the PCT in 2014.
I'm hesitant to give out weight/comfort ratings because it's so subjective (or even if I am objective about measuring it, others will have many subjective opinions). But the idea is to have the pack capable of comfortably carrying as much weight as you could really fit in it. The hipbelt wings are a nice size, the shoulder straps are a bit wider and nicely wrap around the shoulders, plus it has load lifters and a frame that provides both horizontal and vertical support.
I'd put the load capacity pretty similar to your Ohm 2.0. Both packs are pretty similar in having nicely sized hipbelt wings, load lifters, inverted U frame etc. The frame here is solid across the top rather than delrin (?) loop but otherwise very similar. So I'd be content with 40 lbs in it. I have about 35 lbs in mine now as I head for 7-8 days of packrafting.
Actually a lot about my pack is similar to the Ohm. Very similar size (42L main compartment), similar suspension and side compression, but this has shoulder strap pockets, different style shoulder straps and then totally different left side pocket and front pocket setup. Those last two points are hopefully the selling features of this pack, along with the shoulder strap pockets, waterproof fabric and lighter weight compared to the Ohm. I do lament how heavy the Ohm has gotten. Mine was circa 2010 and weighed 24oz and they are low to mid 30oz now. The Ohm is actually one of the reasons why I avoid a mesh pocket on this pack - my Ohm mesh pocket ended up pretty stretched out and torn after a few years of use. Other mesh is tougher but still seems like the first to go if the rest of the pack is well designed.
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rweb82
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Jul 5, 2019
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dandurstonYeah, the Ohm has definitely gained some weight over the years (but haven't we all, lol!) Mine is the newer version with the really stretchy (non see-thru) mesh pocket. It seems much more durable than the original mesh they used to use- as well as the non-stretchy, open weave mesh used by other companies. I've not had any issues with it yet. That said, it's still mesh, and mesh will always be weaker than Robic, Cordura, X Pac, or DCF.
Last two questions (I promise) 1) Does the pack have taped seams? and 2) are the shoulder pockets removable?
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 5, 2019
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rweb82No taped seams. To do that you really need to use a version of X-Pac without the inner scrim so you can tape to the plastic directly. Otherwise even if you could tape the inner woven layer, the water wicks around it. We actually tried that but partially we found it very hard to find a tape that sticks to the PET that is used, but also abandoning the scrim does make the material easier to puncture and more likely to delaminate. So we added the scrim back because the taping wasn't working and because the scrim made it more durable. I would have liked it totally waterproof but didn't see a path to that. Users can seam seal on the inside with diluted sealant to soak into the inner scrim to do a pretty good job of making it waterproof. They key is to soak it right in so it saturates to the plastic, so the water doesn't just wick around where you've seam taped.
Shoulder pockets are not removable. Partly they don't weigh much since it's mesh but also removable pockets aren't as easy to use because they are connected at a few points rather than everywhere. So they move around more when you try to use them (both shoulder and hipbelt pockets) which is why I prefer permanent ones.
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rweb82
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Jul 5, 2019
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dandurstonThank you for taking the time to provide thorough explanations! Again, it seems like you've developed a very well-thought out pack system. I'm curious to see what the price is going to be.
rweb82
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Jul 5, 2019
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dandurstonAre we playing "name your price?" Lol. Well, seeing how aggressively-priced your X Mid tent is, I would imagine this pack to be somewhere in the $199 range.
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Jul 5, 2019
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rweb82Interesting guess. Price should be out before too long. I'm not sure of the release date but perhaps in a week or two. I don't actually know the price myself because Drop sets that.
f4ucorsair
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Jul 7, 2019
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rweb82Kinda shocking for the X Mid to be the same price as this backpack. Given that the Massdrop Crown X 60 is $120 (c.f. $200 for the non drop version), $199 seems unexpectedly high. Of course, the Gorilla is $260 . I'm probably missing something on the materials cost for a pack like this.
rweb82
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Jul 8, 2019
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f4ucorsairWell, I was making a comparison to other X Pac backpacks on the market like SWD, Waymark, etc... And pretty much all of those are around $250. So I figured $199 would be a good price on Drop. I hope you're right and it's actually lower than that!
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rweb82
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Jul 11, 2019
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MichaelBretzI definitely like the price! However, I'm surprised the largest torso option is only 18". Also wish they would have designed the hip belt with an inward-pull adjustment, rather than outward pull. Pulling inward is far more efficient, and doesn't strain the shoulders like pulling outward.
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