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1tiger1
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Jul 24, 2019
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Looks like a great pack and was something I was interested in, but the torso length choices are too short for me unfortunately, and I’m only a hair over 5’11”. It seems like you guys could miss out on a lot of interested potential buyers by not having a longer torso pack.
I did order the 2p X-Mid though and since it can sleep one 8-foot tall person at a diagonal I should be good there at least :)
UL_Product_Manager
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Jul 24, 2019
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1tiger1.... torso is really long. The M/L bag works nicely for me....
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1tiger1
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Jul 25, 2019
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UL_Product_ManagerMichael - How much weight did you have in the bag? How far have you carried it? The angle of the load lifter straps on the third picture appears to be close to what is typical. These appear to be directed downward in the second photo you are in, which, based on my understanding, can be an indication that the bag torso could be short for the user. This may be okay for loads at bit lighter than specified capacity or in short-distance increments, but that would limit the usability of the bag.
UL_Product_Manager
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Jul 25, 2019
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1tiger1To be honest, when we took the pictures we did not have a lot of weight in them. Maybe 10 or 15 pounds. The regular equipment i would carry on a multi day hike
like tent, quilt and pad, minus the food and water but plus some photo equipment...
During the development I was out with the prototype for a lot for day-hikes with Sampson, my dog who is in the pics too, and mostly carried water for him which is quite heavy and desperately needed in California summers. My longest of thes heavy test hikes was about 15 miles and started out with the bag loaded up with two 2.5Gallon water jugs, some snacks and a jacket. easily over 40 pounds.
Personally i really dont mess too much with the load lifters, i try to get us much weight on the waist belt as possible.
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jfleming72
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Jul 26, 2019
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1tiger1Yeah, me too. My 21" torso, puts me at the edge of most regular packs, this would be too short be comfortable for me and most 6ft+ people.
dafra
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Jul 28, 2019
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UL_Product_ManagerHow tall is the guy in the yellow jacket on the pictures featured in the backpack's description?
1tiger1
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Jul 30, 2019
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UL_Product_ManagerThank you for your transparency. Yeah, this sounds at least somewhat consistent with what I was saying. 10 or 15 pounds is lighter than many may carry for multi-day hikes. In your 40 lb scenario, it sounds you were day hiking and thus excluding an overnight shelter, quilt/sleeping bag, and pad. These sound like limited situations where a pack that has a torso on the shorter side could be serviceable for some.
Even though it makes perfect sense in a day-hike situation (and I know Sampson was grateful for your high-volume water haul!), I have not heard much of people in overnight scenarios putting their or their dog's high volume of water near the bottom of the pack near their hips, as this would be where items that are not taken out frequently, such as quilt/bag, tent, and sleeping pad would typically be. This would shift the water weight higher up the pack and not near the hips, and I am not sure that eliminating the proper functionality of the load lifters by getting a pack with a torso that is too short would be good as the center of gravity is moved higher up in the pack.
It sounds like the M/L size for those with longer torsos (20"-21"+) would be questionably serviceable in limited situations at best. I agree with the other comment that it would probably be too short to be comfortable in a wide variety of situations for most 6+ people, though I would encourage people to go off their torso length in lieu of height.
UL_Product_Manager
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Jul 30, 2019
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1tiger1I guess everyone packs different. Personally i tend to pack heavy stuff center in the bag or rather lower if i have to. I dont like anything heavy further up as it tends to influence my balance negatively. I come from and alpine background and barely ever carry over 20 pounds.
In terms of my heavy weight test hikes, that was weight/water pretty much everywhere...
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