The debate is moot. Here is one entity that WILL sell 50+ cases of a "limited" product a few weeks before release for 2x their cost. There are enough consumers who are willing to pay a premium to guarantee they get a product upon release. IF there was an actual number of the print run , like sports cards, where cases and cards are numbered for the "limited" release than it makes more sense to me but it doesn't have to make sense to the market. Congrats to those , like massdrop, taking advantage of the market. The people who complain the loudest about prices are the ones who buy in at these prices....
Yonyo138 is direct cost from wotc 141 is cost from distributors SO the 280+ is 2x what massdrop(whatever seller) is paying for product. I don't care what the msrp is , I am referring to what this seller or what your lgs pays for this product. Fyi a standard release is 68 direct and NOBODY sells it for msrp. The print run is massive in comparison though.
ViperdaysYell at WOTC for making a print run so limited and for selling boxes of cardboard to distributors for $141. Stores and places sell these boxes for high prices because they don't have that much product and they need to make it worthwhile for themselves to sell these boxes. I'm assuming that the $100 difference between the MSRP and distributor price is semi-reasonable.
But again, I'm not an expert.
YonyoReasonable should be msrp or less for a product yet to be released. How many printings will there actually be , what will the market be for the singles and for foils? It just amazes me that people are willing to believe this will be more like MM13 than MM15 . wotc can easily print a couple more waves to satisfy demand and still keep this "limited" in comparison . I was brought here because of a "deal" of a yet to be released product that is ABOVE msrp. I hope it works out for people who are buying , it definitely is for distributors and large retailers of this product.EV looks like alot of people are going to be sorely disappointed buying at these prices.
SupernautIf you can wait for 1week after release you will see boxes in droves for less than 240. I have been involved in buying/selling trading cards,sports cards and gaming cards for 30+ years . in today's market place most sellers buy product on credit and the clock officially starts on the firesale when the product is in hand. This product is NOT even out , this product is Limited but it is not so limited that the entire print run could be sold out before it releases. Wotc doesn't release print numbers because there is no set print number. They can and WILL create more if warranted. YES, it is and will be more "limited" than a standard release because it won't be printed non stop for the next year plus. This cycle happens in EVERY release but there are ALWAYS consumers that have to have something first or consumers who just have more money than sense and lack any patience. Prices are already sliding on feebay just wait until June 10 and see where prices are....
w_henryMight have to be YEARS and IF that is your plan , again I would wait for the actual release of the product into the wild and let the prices retract from current prices before buying .Again, if Wotc came out today and said there will be exactly 100,000 cases / 400,000 boxes made then an actual market for a finite product could dictate prices. Would it change your mind if I told you I am probably low balling what the actual print run will be of this release ?!
ViperdaysMeh. I'll sell it for $400-450 in 10-15 years if I have to. Scars of Mirrodin and Innistrad are profitable to resale now, even if you paid MSRP. There is a market for old-ish unopened boxes, and I am very very patient.
w_henryThat is true, but if you think about what your return is ,factoring in compounded interest over that many years , you would be better off just buying treasury bills or government bonds. I just don't see the point of paying over msrp for anything before release unless an absolute print run is placed on it. IF they made special prism refractor mythic foils and they were each hard numbered to say /50 each and they were being presold at $500/ I would find that more attractive as an investment than buying something above msrp that has an unknown and what can and will be altered print run after the fact. This "deal" shows there are more than enough consumers willing to pay the listed price and I am willing to bet when another 50 cases worth is listed in the next few days they will sell to. Not because they are actually rare and limited but because people are manipulated into believing it is.
ViperdaysThe "unknown" factor is how desirable this product is going to be when I decide to flip it. It's a gamble, and that's the appeal. Sure, I could buy gold bullion or bonds - but this is more fun, and I can draft it with friends if I the mood takes me. It's all coming out of the "Games portion" of my budget, and that's where the money will return to anyways.
w_henryAnd I really like this product at the right price. I clicked in hopes of adding more to my holdings but let's just say I would be averaging up quite a bit and that isn't how you go about doing things as a buyer. This will all be interesting to look back at just weeks from now. Will boxes trend quickly towards EV of $200 much like MM15 or continue to rise as modern masters 1 did (remember too the price per pack and print run is significantly less than MM15! )Wotc front loaded spoilers for eternal masters and boxes that were 220-240 on feebay skyrocketed and then.... Well, they finished in a very lackluster fashion. Still shaking my head with the land cycle they opted for. Anyhoo
paulmessplayMore like $100-150. Ideally, I'd sell at 150% of what I paid, or greater. And the waiting bit... it's literally going to gather dust in a cabinet until I either sell it or draft it.
But again, I'm not an expert.