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Down Quilts and Blankets have appeared in Massdrop Polls since the very first days of the Ultralight Community in Fall of 2014. The polls have consistently been some of the most popular, resulting in super successful drops from the likes of Enlightened Equipment, Zpacks, Rumpl and more.
At it's heart, this is the best down blanket we could make for you. It's roughly the size of a Twin XL mattress, and it would look perfectly lovely on your bed or couch. Secretly, there are a few snaps and hidden cords that can transform this into a sleeping quilt for camping or traveling.
What's special about our down blanket?
1) Comfort. We spent nearly a year finding the best downproof fabric that was both light and SOFT. When you cozy up to this on your couch or in your cabin, we wanted you first impression to be one of luxurious lightness. We didn't want you thinking that this is a really techy product with shiny plasticky fabric. You can be assured that this fabric is high performance, but it doesn't need to *feel* that way.
2) Versatility. It's a blanket, it's a quilt, and it's possibly so much more*.
3) Best-in-class materials. We want you to feel confident that you're getting a high-end product, and so we started with the best raw materials we could find. The HyperDRY down was developed by The North Face and is the benchmark for quality down. It is Responsibly Down Source (RDS) Certified, bluesign approved, fluorocarbon free (a nasty chemical that was used in earlier hydrophobic downs), and allergen free. This 850 fill power down is very light for the amount of insulation it provides, and will last 10-30 years under normal use and care. The fabric is calendared for downproofness and matte finish and soft hand make it feel more like a comforter than a shiny sleeping bag.
4) Maximized value. By paying special attention to the design, we were able to achieve the maximum warmth to weight ratio. The sewn-through baffles are the lightest and most affordable, so we used tons of down, wide baffle spacing to allow peak loft, and minimal baffling to make a very thick blanket. We added one mid-blanket baffle to keep down from shifting in the long vertical baffles, and otherwise kept the baffles (the low point / potential cold spot in the blanket) to an absolute minimum. Going with 850 fill achieved our goal for weight, warmth, and durability. Moving up to 900 fill would have increased your cost 2-3x and saved maybe an ounce.
A few more thoughts.
Temp rating - Generally, a blanket or quilt with sewn through baffles will be warm down to 40-50F. However, this has 2" of loft, which would put it comparitavely at 30F according to EE and Zpacks. Also, Patagonia has a sewn-through sleeping bag that they rated at 30F. So without testing, I am fairly confident that this would keep men warm down to 40F and women to 45-50F, though it really depends on who you are, how you use it, and what other products you're using, like your sleeping pad and shelter.
Stuff sack - This comes with a stuff sack, though we intentionally designed it a little big to make it easy to stuff your blanket into it. It will definitely fit a smaller sack, likely down to 8 or 10 liters. If you're storing this for a long time, it's best to store it in a large sack, a cotton pillow case, hanging in the closet, or just out on your couch so you can use it everyday!
Design - This is a blanket first, and a quilt second. If you want the best high-performance quilt, then I would point you to Enlightened Equipment or many other small American manufacturers. I make this statement because something like the EE Revelation has a better footbox, more options for securing around your sleeping pad, and tapered area around your leg (which will keep you warmer, all else being equal). So, it's a better quilt. However, it would look a bit funny on your bed, it wouldn't feel as comfy on your couch, and the tapered leg area could be confined to some. Additionally, those quilts cost 2-3x as much.
Temp rating - Generally, a blanket or quilt with sewn through baffles will be sufficiently warm down to 40-50F. However, this has 2" of loft, which would put it comparatively at 30F according to EE and Zpacks. Also, Patagonia has a sewn-through sleeping bag that they rated at 30F. So without testing, I am fairly confident that this would keep men warm down to 40F and women to 50F, though it really depends on who you are, how you use it, and what other products you're using, like your sleeping pad and shelter.
Length - Yeah, it's long! I'm 6'0" and I hate it when my toes just stick out of a blanket or off a mat. My brothers are all taller and this happens to them all the time. I read so many comments from our members that we need to have a longer pad, a tent that fits tall people, or size 14+ shoes. I hear you, and this is 86" long. If you're not as tall, then you just have more blanket to snuggle around your shoulders.
I'm really interested to hear what you plan on using this for. I've already been using one on my couch at home. We keep our house at 60 F in the winter, and this has been perfect for covering the whole family while we read books before bed. I've also used it alone on my bed and backpacking. What are your ideas?
*As for the DIY / MYOG person, I definitely had you in mind while designing this. The value of the raw goods, if bought elsewhere, is more than we're selling it for here. I've already been working with Aaron Sorensen on ideas (he's known for modding Costco Down Throws). With a little cutting or sewing, you could make this into your dream quilt with tapered legs. Maybe add a #3 zipper and turn it into a sleeping bag. Sew two together and it's a California King size blanket. Layer two together and it could be a 10F blanket. Cut it in half and make it into two underquits for hammock camping. Turn it into a pair of quilts for toddlers. What else? You tell me! In fact, I'm going to start a Talk page specifically for sharing ideas on altering this blanket:
curious- could this be snapped around a hammock...as a underquilt and a topquilt- kind of thing?
Thinking the same thing!! Could be a nice option for we hammock campers!
The snaps are set so you could snap two together, to make a super big tube, there are cinches at the head and foot of each one, and loops in each corner, so yeah, it could probably be used as a continuous under/over quilt. It might taking some light modification, depends on how you use it, your hammock setup, the temp, rating, and so on. But that's a pretty cool idea. Hadn't thought of that!
Is this the same HyperDRY sold by RBTR? If so, it'd be cheaper to get the blanket here than it would be to buy HD down elsewhere, and just use the down and fabric for my MYOG projects.
It appears to be the same down - HyperDry 850 fill, hydrophobic. I can't tell if theirs is fluorocarbon free, RDS certified or allergen free like ours.
It just seems to me that the more I get involved with them, the more there seems to be few options for certain hammock gear. Being a New Englander, if there's ways I can stretch gear to overlap camping seasons together, so much the better. My Byers Netted hammock with a Mountain Gear tarp that covers everything with plenty of room weighs just under 5 lbs. The tree strap system I use for the hammock weighs around 3 lbs with carabiners. If this product can indeed attach to each other (and are fairly light)- just another feather in my cap for UL backpacking gear options! Thanks for offering this item, btw- awesome to see well thought out products!
I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Dutchware, but they offer a lot of light and ultralight gear and everything is made with hammock camping in mind. Just your tree strap system can be knocked down in weight tremendously with a few small, cheap/free changes.
Awesome!! Thank you - I can always use a new gear vendor for specific items
Tell me about that tent you're sipping coffee in...
Just hopped onto Dutchware and IMMEDIATELY bookmarked it...THANK YOU!!
This is what I love about Massdrop -- enthusiasts sharing knowledge with each other. I visit Massdrop more consistently than any other shopping website because I like to read the discussions; even if I'm not interested in a particular item, I find I often learn something in the discussions. And regular website visitation means I'm going to notice when an item I *do* want to buy pops up, so income for Massdrop. Win-win for everyone.
Couldn't agree more! Plus, and this is just my opinion, but, the interactions I've had here, whether it's fellow buyers or, even the Staff, have been overwhelmingly positive! Plus, as you alluded to, I've learned ALOT about products I literally didn't know existed. Perfect example: for YEARS, when I was car/ cabin camping, I'd go by default, to my old school percolator for my coffee. I was on here for a month and found out about the Cafflano Klassic grinder/ drip coffee maker. Now, I use the darned thing almost daily because it makes that good of a cup of coffee! wouldn't have known it even existed if I wasn't on this site.
I've even learned about things I'm not too interested in actually owning (watches, for instance), which is neat because I like to learn.
Also it's Massdrop's fault entirely that I'm into mechanical keyboards now. I just wanted to look and now I'm in about $600...
Not to mention you look cozy af in that thing
Don't get me started on keyboards here ... ;)
agreed. My hummingbird UL straps paired w/ camp Nano22 biners weigh 3.8oz. TOTAL....
hummingbird tree UL tree straps paired w/ CAMP nano 22 biners weigh 3.8oz. TOTAL....
I'll be buying a second one for the snap-two-together dealie.
I love this thing!
Sheds dog hair like nobody's business, it's one of the few blankets in my household that does not require a brushing-down/adhesive rolling to get terrier hair off it.
Which is good, as they steal it every chance they get....
LOL @ adhesive rolling! I just spent ten minutes today rolling all my couch pillows etc to remove the dog hair before company. That's nice to know it can shed dog hair :-) I may have to get one...
oh, you really must.
I tried it on the bed last night and it's even perfect for cool-June-nights-with-the-window-open sleeping.
checked it this morning and, SERIOUSLY, no fuzz to speak of.
AND, it didn't make me too hot, even after Rogue Terrier climbed up under my armpit under the blanket once I was comatose. It's just right.
Rolling up one of these dealies vs. the Big-Bed-Makeup is most definitely a bonus for us dude-peeps.......
Will Massdrop come out with a 2-person - 88 x 84” (224 x 213cm) version of this blanket? I need something for two people also and rumpl seems like the only vendor that has one.
That is a great idea worth exploring on this blanket!
In addition, there might be another similar product coming in a future collab with one of our existing brand partners. :D
Yeah, that'd be great. I'd definitely want one.
We typically go camping where the evenings are always below freezing (above 8,000 feet AGL) during the summer. During the fall and winter seasons they dip below 0 easily. We already insulate our camp chairs with a layer of HDPE foam and reflectix to bounce the heat back, but we need something to keep everything else covered when we're viewing meteor showers.
Ideally something for us to cuddle with would be put to really good use by keeping us warm instead of resorting to baby making every time.
Wow! Where are you located? Sounds like a cold climate!
But yes, that is a very cool idea and I can totally see a need for that!
Either way, within this year, we should have something fun in the collab world to offer you in that sense.
Happy to see this idea is valid and really appreciate you coming to us with this insight!
Uhm I don't think where I'm located is at all related to the weather of where we camp.
We've traveled between California to Colorado, and while we're located in the SF Bay area, regardless of the state we're at we've been caught in well below freezing evening temps at >8,000ft AGL at any point of time in the year.
OK, Another note.
I received my blanket and used it a couple of times. It's definitely not going to be warm enough for the Perseids Meteor shower trip I have planned. At 10,000 feet, it'll likely be in the mid to low 20s in the evening. Also the fabric is woefully thin. Yes, I understand that this type of fabric is exceptionally wear resistant but sometimes we will want to use it to lay on the ground also. If you are unaware, the rocks in the Eastern Sierras often are quite jagged and sharp.
If you were to make a special blanket, I think something that would be great would be to have Cotton Duck fabric with DWR, similar to what you'd find on Heavy Duty Coverall Workwear by Carhartt or Dickies, on one side, and then a baffled synthetic or cotton internal liner with down fill.
This would be exceptionally durable to throw on the ground, provide a wind barrier, and also to stay warm with. It'll definitely be heavier and not good as a backpacking pack blanket or even quilt. But it'll be exceptional for expedition style camping like this.
I love this suggestion! I’m going to work on some ideas for adding durability to this. Playing around with some very durable yarns that could really add some great features to this. Price would jump, but maybe it’s more of a premium checkout option.
Yeah, premium for sure.
When you buy suspension for your truck or suv starts at $2,700, a $300 dollar blanket that keeps your a$$ warm in below freezing is super worth it, esp if you're in a national park or forest that has fire restrictions.
propane fire pits can't heat sh*t.
Love the idea! We just got in a sample of the double version so we'll play around with that as well!
A double version that I'm assuming will snap into a two person quilt? That would sell like crazy
When I earned my Eagle Scout in the late 80s, was invited to hike Cimarron Scout Ranch in NW New Mexico. Fires were strictly verboten- we lived off Military MREs. A nice blanket option like this for the varied conditions/elevations we hiked/ camped at would have been REALLY nice. Too bad no one offers gear test jobs on a full time basis- I could actually make a living using/ rating well -engineered gear produced by experienced users.
I like the innovative comments here. :) Instead of snaps, I think toggles might be better long term. I've seen issues with metal snap buttons falling apart over a single season. Toggles can be replaced.
I envision that the blanket's edges be split in two like a Y so that when another blanket gets inserted into that Y gap, a toggle would go through all 3 layers to provide a windproof/draftproof seal with little additional weight or material.
1980s MREs wow. At least today you can get flameless ration heaters. You sound like you lived in a time where sterner stuff was required. I can't imagine Colorado or NW NM without a fire of any sort to even heat up a cup of coffee. But yeah, a more durable windproof blanket for high elevation low temp conditions would be great.
I'd imagine something like this could be used wash after wash, year after year, until it was time to pass it on to the next generation of scouts.
Should I say anything about the Lume battery powered portable burr grinder?
Would love to hear more about what specifics you want to see in this. We've got a sample now but want to make sure I make some adjustments to fit into what you mention above
I am mainly interested in a cheaper but lightweight alternative to the enlightened equipment accomplice quilt. The feature to open it up like a blanket for warmer weather would be nice though. I would not make it quite so long as the original to save weight. It would be nice if it fit into the 30° sweet spot for an all around temp. So a little more fill than the original. I personally wouldn't be opposed to toggles but most of the quilts of this type use snaps that can also be replaced with a little know-how. The accomplice is very expensive but is one of the only options of the type so this would sell very well I'd guess.
Very cool idea and I will look into this for sure! Great suggestions and if you ever want to talk further about this or other concepts, feel free to email me at email@example.com !
Great for you, but some of us hikers need lightness, remember there are others too.
Hmm, the way I see it is that you, as a hiker, already have a variety to choose from. I don't see any point to considering the needs of hikers especially since there are already quilts from Mass Drop, Rumpl, Kammok, Therm-A-Rest, Nemo, Enlightened Equipment, or any of the other boutique brands out there.
What I don't have is a blanket that's:
I don't think that it makes a lot of sense to make a product, from a manufacturer's perspective, that cannot differentiate itself from others. Massdrop is offering this sub $100 dollar blanket which is great and that's how they differentiate. But they also have another opportunity to fill a hole in the market for a real good camp blanket. That's why I'm voicing, as a consumer, what I want and what a lot of others want in what I perceive as a gap in the market in terms of commercially available offerings.
Consumers generally look at a product that they have and say "well this is close enough to the other product so I can just keep what I have or purchase something similar from the same brand." Even if that product is more expensive, they'll likely pick it up because they can stay within that brand.
For this specific item, I have tested the Pine Down blanket. This last weekend in the Grand Canyon, against the wind, it was practically worthless. In the 20 degree mornings with zero wind along the North Rim, it was only enough to keep the chill out as I wandered around camp in my long underwear and Triple Aught Design cargo pants, T-Shirt, Sweatshirt, and Patagonia Wind breaker. At night, to be effective, it needed to be paired with a space blanket as a windbreaker. The Seasons Blanket I also purchased through Massdrop was better at blocking wind, but it's too short to use to wrap myself from head to toe, and I'm only ~70" tall. I can only imagine the ire my friends who are taller than me feel.
But basically, I think you should take some of your own advice, "remember there are others too".
- wear resistant
- water proof
- heat reflective
- able to cover me from head to toe
"Cotton Duck fabric" is not your solution. Please don't use heavy cotton fabrics to rely on warmth. Please move towards wool or synthetics. Have a great day.
How does this blanket perform relative to other cutting edge blankets? I need some performance metrics
Anything new on the double version? I would be interested in a double!
We've been playing around with some new fun ideas! I'm sure @MichaelBretz will be able to announce some of them soon!
I can tell you I've slept in a hammock with JUST this Blanket for warmth, and it's literally the best investment I've made! It's superior to anything in this price range, including Snugpak. Oh, and did I mention I live on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska?? If it can cut it here, with it's infamously fickle weather, it can be of use anywhere.
The No Fire order is more of a pragmatic issue in an area where it's bone dry most of the year. And, yes, I'm a bit on the older side- my first car had a carburetor on it, for example. LOL And, I learned to drive a stick first, which I guess now would be an anti theft device as NO ONE knows how to drive a manual car anymore... But I digress.
Absolutely agree with a small redesign- more range in the temp rating would be welcome. Up here in Alaska, the weather is so fickle that gear like what's being discussed here is a necessity.
Hey, I am going to hike in Alaska this August and September mainly in the interrior part of Alaska, and all who lives and hikes there reccomended to buy a 14f down sleeping bag so I don't think with blanket is the best for Alaska
I ABSOLUTELY agree! I'm out on the Kenai Peninsula, so, the weather's a bit more moderate, so, a dedicated sleeping bag isn't necessary. In your case however, a rated bag would be your best bet.
Alright! Do you have any suggestion for a good budget backpack sleeping bag? An ultralight one will cost around 300& so I don't mind to carry a sleeping bag up to 3 lbs prehaps but much cheaper. I also hears about garage sales in Anchorage. Do you think I will may find there a fine price?
If you don't mind used sleeping bags, you can go to Reddit ultralight geartrade subreddit, backpackinglight website and go to their gear swap forum, and also this website: https://www.geartrade.com/hiking-and-camping/sleeping-bags/down-sleeping-bags?=
For new bags, I've seen the Northface Furnace 20 for $179. It's EN rated lower limit of 14. If you're unfamiliar with EN ratings, it's a standardized test and the "lower limit" corresponds to a men's temp rating, while the "comfort" corresponds to a women's temp rating. Some men sleep cold, some women sleep hot; only you know yourself.
Are you looking for a man's or woman's bag? Women's bags typically are shorter, have more room in hips, slightly less in shoulder, and often extra insulation in the foot box. They'll use more conservative ratings in their marketing, so for example, my women's Big Agnes bag is marketed as 15F, is EN rated 15F for "comfort" and 2F for "lower limit" aka men's rating.
It's important to note that only sleeping bags can be EN rated -- quilts cannot due to lack of a hood. Also, some manufacturers don't test their bags. They might still be great baga, but there's no way to compare them, so I'm hesitant at recommending them.
If you already have a warmish bag, say, 30F and you are on a budget, you can add another cheaper bag and go with 2. This is a less efficient use of weight, and the second bag needs to be much larger in order not to compress down.
I have a "mens sized" Enlightened Equipment Revelation 20 quilt I use on top of my "petite woman sized" Enlightened Equipment Enigma 10 quilt when weather is below freezing. This combo weighs less than my single Big Agnes 15F bag. I use the outer quilt as a sacrificial quilt, as I burrow inside itbso it captures moisture overnight. My trips are short enough and "warm" enough at night for this down degradation due to moisture to not be an issue.
Anyhow, hope my rambling is useful to you... let me know if you have questions! :-)
Wow! Thank so much for the detailed answer! I didn't know about the EN so it's always nice to learn something new. I'm looking for a men sleeping bag. My budget is avarge so I will search used ones. Also that a nice idiea to combine two quilts.
Do you reccomend a sleeping pad also? With a r value Rating?