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Besey
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Jan 15, 2018
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HEEEEEEYYYY! Magni 3 or Fulla 2 combo? From the question itself, you can understand that these are my baby steps in this direction. Listening from a Macbook, so afaik it's a half-decent DAC. Heard that FULLA 2 is NOT that powerful for HD6XX, and there are distortions at decent sound levels and what-not, Anyone with first-hand experience? I have read that MAGNI 3 is a good amp and will be enough for these headph, but I just like the portability of the Fulla 2. Yes, I know these are open. Not the topic of the question, yeah? I don't want to be tied to a desk, or a power outlet.
But if the hisses are there, and it's not even powerful enough for the HD6XX (300ohm, 103dB SPL/mW) , I would gravitate towards the Magni ofc, and accept the fate xD.
Any advice?
Jan 15, 2018
exxr
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Jan 15, 2018
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You could go for one of these Sabaj PHA2 (or the cheaper but slightly less powerful PHA1) with your Macbook
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sabaj-Audio-RCA-Headphone-Amplifier-PHA2-Portable-Home-Mini-Amplificateur-Hifi-Headset-Earphone-AMP-DAC/32821077258.html
They're only an amp but put out quite a bit more than a Fulla 2, works with a charge pump design so it splits the single 5V into two separate rails. Can run it off your laptop's USB and have the portability you need.
PHA1 was reviewed and is legit, reaches 4 Vrms no problems. Pretty good in a portable form factor.
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/amp/sabaj-pha-1.php
Jan 15, 2018
Besey
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Jan 15, 2018
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Ooooo, never heard of it. Visually doesn't look bad at all, will definitely look into it. Thanks.
Jan 15, 2018
SomeTechNoob
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Jan 15, 2018
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So I have the HD 6XX(from the first drop), Fulla 2, and Magni 2.
HD 6XX sounds great on the Fulla 2. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Adding the Magni 2 improved sound a bit, mostly in the bass regions. Bass had a slight increase and seems tighter than just off the Fulla 2. Both units have plenty of volume by themselves. I personally have to lower Windows volume to 70/100 because I keep hitting the channel imbalance zone of the Fulla 2 when it's fully maxed out. I only get to about 9 o'clock at the very most with the Fulla 2 on most of my songs anyway. That's less than 1/4 of the volume range. I could very easily blast my ears out with the Fulla 2.
Since you don't want to be tied to a desk or a power outlet, I don't see the reason to get a Magni 3. The Magni 3 is meant for a desktop setup with its hefty wall wart. The Fulla 2 is a transportable device with plenty of volume pushing power for the HD 6XX.
Jan 15, 2018
exxr
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Jan 15, 2018
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Volume out of my crappy on-board sound card is more than loud enough as well (doesn't mean it has the proper voltage to drive these cans).
Jan 15, 2018
DenonFanboy
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Jan 15, 2018
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Magni 3 all the way, its not about how loud it gets, its all about sound quality. Isn't that why u are here in the drop to begin with? :D
Jan 15, 2018
Jackula
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Jan 15, 2018
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Depends on the genre, you're probably OK (distortion-wise) with pop, electronic etc, but high dynamic range content like jazz or classical then a more powerful Magni would be able to handle it better. If you're after portability, an O2 is an option since you can power them with batteries.
Btw the HD6XX isn't 103dB/mW, it's 103dB/V, which works out to be about 97dB/mW.
Jan 15, 2018
SomeTechNoob
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Jan 16, 2018
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Yes, I know that. But the difference between my Fulla 2 and Magni 2 is so minimal that I would honestly be satisfied listening straight out of the Fulla 2.
Jan 16, 2018
Besey
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Jan 16, 2018
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Sure, but how come Magni 3 is better sound quality-wise, if it's just an amp. The Fulla 2 does have a DAC built-in AND it's worse in sound quality? xDDDD Or am I understanding sth wrongly?
Jan 16, 2018
Besey
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Jan 16, 2018
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Thanks for the reply. An opinion from an owner of both of them is much appreciated. How about the hisses? Are they present in the Fulla at higher volumes? I don't want to, but if it's worth it, an extension cord will be my new friend, if it's worth it :D
Jan 16, 2018
Besey
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Jan 16, 2018
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My bad, copied from the internet for y'all's convenience. Thanks, I did look into the O2, which is a good choice, quite a lot of people say, but with shipping it's becoming too much. I do listen to almost everything, including classical, pop, rock, trap, even country songs, I think, are in my library. @SomeTechNoob says the difference is negligible power-wise, as I understood, but @exxr you made it difficult xDD What's with the proper voltage?
Jan 16, 2018
SomeTechNoob
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Jan 16, 2018
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No hissing with the HD 6XX. There is some if you use really efficient IEMs though.
Magni 3 is a pure amp. Fulla 2 is a dac + amp, so in order to have both some corners are cut on the amp side to meet the same $99 price point. Honestly to my ears the difference is minimal and I would be happy just using the Fulla 2.
Jan 16, 2018
DeadPoool
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Jan 16, 2018
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elsjRoOt8AM
Here is also a link to a vid, The guy is saying the exact same thing. Fulla 2 = Schiit Stack unless you are cranking it all the way up.
Jan 16, 2018
exxr
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Jan 16, 2018
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Well the design of these cans requires higher voltage to drive them to reproduce higher peak sound levels accurately. This is a given fact. Now, the accepted bare minimum required is around 2 volts RMS but with certain music genres and particularly with respect to high dynamic range music you would need up to 7 volts RMS or so to hear the cans at their best (this also depends on how loud you like your music as well).
I've found that when insufficient voltage is supplied, while they can sound very loud they will distort/clip and in my case become rather fatiguing. Also a general lack of bass with low voltage, which otherwise would be there with higher available voltages.
It's up to you, the Fulla 2 is fine, I think it drives up to 3 Vrms into 300 Ohms. Personally I think it's expensive for what you get...the DAC in your Macbook is a good one and you get a much more powerful amp for your $99 with the Magni...or get the Sabaj if you want cheaper, it's still more power than the Fulla.
Jan 16, 2018
DenonFanboy
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Jan 16, 2018
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It’s not about the amp for SQ it’s the hd6XX that sounds better with more juice. Magni 3 is 10x more powerful than the fulla 2 @ 300 ohms.
Jan 16, 2018
LearyF
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Jan 16, 2018
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Like you, I worried that the Fulla 2 wasn't going to "be enough" when I received the 6XX, as I had already purchased the Fulla 2 a few months earlier. I scoured the internet in search of "the answer" that would lead me to believe I NEEDED to part with another $99 for the Magni 3 so I wouldn't have this huge empty feeling. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on something else as the Fulla 2 has absolutely been more than "enough" for the 6XX. That's not to say that others with better ears than me can't hear the difference...I'm sure they can. That's what is great (and bad) about his hobby...how music/equipment can move people differently. But, for me, I'm just happy with the 6XX/Fulla 2 combo and hope to be for the forseeable future. Hope this helps.
Jan 16, 2018
Besey
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Jan 18, 2018
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yep seen it, the question is how much" cranking all the way up" is needed for everyday listening. Plus, two heads is usually better than one, so opinions from those who have them is appreciated, not just from one person, even though who seems to know his shit. Thanks for the video though.
Jan 18, 2018
Besey
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Jan 18, 2018
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Something I found online, on Headphonesty.com
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Jan 18, 2018
Besey
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Jan 18, 2018
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If anyone's interested
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Jan 18, 2018
Besey
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Jan 18, 2018
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OK, this is getting frustrating. Different sources say different things. Is it 103 dB/1Vrms or 103 dB/1mW? Coz this does make a huge difference lol
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Jan 18, 2018
DenonFanboy
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Jan 19, 2018
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The HD650s swing way into the 500 ohm region 200hz and under. https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD650.pdf any speaker or headphones ohm measurement is averaged.
Jan 19, 2018
DeadPoool
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Jan 20, 2018
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" cranking all the way up"
5/7 of the way, which is only needed for Classical music or Jazz, so if don't listen to those type of genres you will not here a difference between the two. Thought he explained it pretty well.
You can read the same thing from people in these discussion, like this https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx/talk/1940936 , there are more people saying the same shit, thankfully there are not that many snobs who advise newcomers to buy +300$ multi-bit dacs (just for sound) here.
Jan 20, 2018
Besey
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Jan 23, 2018
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Thanks, watched the video a long time ago, prolly didn't notice that part, will re-watch.
Jan 23, 2018
LearyF
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Jan 23, 2018
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I agree with DeadPoool. The Fulla 2 dial ranges from around 7 o'clock at it's softest to around 5 o'clock for it's loudest. Depending on the genre and the recording, I might struggle to listen for long periods above 10 o'clock on the dial (djenty new metal). For something a little more cerebral (Jazz, classical, etc) I may have to pump up to around 1 or 2 o'clock. Never had to go higher than that. YMMV. Hope this helps.
Jan 23, 2018
Besey
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Jan 24, 2018
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Thanks for the reply :) Any distortions at 1 or 2 clock?
Jan 24, 2018
LearyF
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Jan 24, 2018
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To the best of my hearing, I don't detect any. Now, if you're beating yourself up trying to decide, I'll throw this your way. IF you do get the Fulla 2 and you're not satisfied and later purchase the Magni 3, you're really no worse off than if you'd gone ahead and purchased the Schiit stack. What I mean is, from all readings (admittedly not personally heard) the DAC in the Fulla 2 and the Modi 2 are very similary (if not the same). And, with the Fulla 2 you have more use cases (i.e. portability, etc). In only my humble opinion, you really can't go wrong either way.
Jan 24, 2018
Besey
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Jan 25, 2018
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Thanks a lot, that's exactly what I will do. Portability is pretty important for a student on the go, such as myself. Just wanted to know opinions of some random people on the internet xD, since y'all know more than I do, that's for sure. And yeah, I think I will want to buy the Magni later on, goddamn 25$ shipping and exchange rates make it almost double the amount of dollars in my currency xD, so gotta save up a bit, IF the desire or need arises. Anyways, thank you and all the guys and gals who commented before to help me shape my opinion, I now know a little bit more :)
Jan 25, 2018
Tatonis
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Jan 25, 2018
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You know, this is not about saying that other products are bad. It's saying that you can improve you audio with other products. An amp with more power will improve the sound. You know, a Civic and a Porshe will drive you both at your destination, but one is more enjoyable to drive than the other. You know that. This is why people reccomend those stuff. So, if you are enjoying your dac/amp, i'm happy to hear that! But take in mind that they are not at their full potential without a little knowledge and a great community.
Jan 25, 2018
DeadPoool
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Jan 25, 2018
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You are the reason a lot of people hate this community, the unfounded snobbery and misrepresentations of points. It is not about le epic power because in theory it makes it le epicly awesome , it is about how it sounds to you and other people.
To most accounts I heard and from personal experience fulla 2 and schiit stack sound the same unless you are listening to music which needs to at least go past lets say, 2 o'clock mark on fulla, which is only limited to genres like jazz or classical music or even maybe recording with very high dynamic range. EVERYTHING else will sound the same. So my point is unless you are listening to those types of songs and don't need the extra connections, you are better off just saving up for other headphones, because people don't need the deceptive "full potential" for twice the price that they are not never going to use.
Jan 25, 2018
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