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I have this tablet and its great for line art and sculping. Cintiq is however not my first choice for painting, also wouldn't buy it refurbished.
Any particular reason why you wouldn't get refurbished?
What would you recommend as your first choice for graphic tablets?
I can vouch for Wacom in general as having wonderful support and build quality - I have an Intuos 3 that still works just as well as it did when I bought it in 2007. I unfortunately cannot say the same about various Monoprice and Huion tablets I've tried.
That said, Cintiqs have always had problems with parallax (the pen tip is a few millimeters "above" the screen when you touch it due to the glass, so there's a small disconnect between your pen tip and the cursor). This exists in this model, but the newest Cintiq Pros have basically eliminated this - I speak from my experience with the Mobile Studio Pro 16 here. It's also very easy to get used to, but it's worth noting nonetheless.
As for erase's comments, I cannot think of any reason why one would use a Cintiq for lineart and sculpting and a different tablet for painting, so I'm hoping for some clarification on that point.
As a graphic designer and 3D artist I personally have owned many different graphics tablets. I started out using a large Intuos Pro, a great product for beginners with not much money to spend, I was happy with the product but the whole time really wished I had a Cintiq.
Eventually I was lucky enough to get a new iPad air from my university for free and at the same time they bought a set of Cintiqs for the labs.
At first I spent most of my time using the cintiqs but eventually went on to purchase the Wacom Bamboo Pen for my iPad (which I also recommend if you have an older iPad and was about $50 reduced).
I enjoyed the Wacom pen so much I upgraded to the Adonit Jot Touch Pixelpoint ($100.00) for the same iPad and enjoyed the many hours I spent using that pen.
I used the many available adobe apps and procreate whilst also using the graphics pens with apps like Astropad in order to do tasks requiring more computing power or a specific application.
6 months ago I needed to upgrade my equipment, I didn't really need to but rather felt very strongly that I should. I had used the Cintiqs at Uni and I had watched hours upon hours of review videos on the best solutions available for digital artists. That consensus seemed to be the iPad Pro & Apple Pencil combo.
So I bought the 12.9" iPad Pro after spending some time with it in store.
I found the Cintiqs at my Uni had unbearable parallax in comparison to the iPad Pro's responses. So I bought it.
6 months later I am more than happy with my solution. When I am at a desktop I use Duet Display and use my iPad as a second touch sensitive monitor that sits in front of me, the Apple Pencil also works really nicely with the computer when 3D modelling or drawing.
No solution is perfect though, I spend about 6 hours commuting by train every day and also carry a laptop now so that I can use programs like Maya, Zbrush or SketchUp on the go with the iPad acting as a monitor. It doesn't bother me, but I'm sure that would bother some people.
I highly recommend the iPad Pro 12.9" as a graphics tablet, especially if you are a graphic designer or a 3D artist that doesn't 3D model on the go.
I don't buy refurbished/second hand electronics and wouldn't ever suggest anybody does.
Line art on a white background when you draw directly on a surface is fluid and more organic, it feels like traditional medium when compared to an Intuos.
Painting on a darker background when the screen is reflective is extremely annoying, constantly seeing anomalies on the surface even in a dark room breaks concentration and is distracting, i hope that clarifies.
I have been using Wacom for many years, I have not felt the need to use a different brand. I could not even tell you what the competition has to offer.
Thanks for your response!
I do want to emphasize to people reading this that the best way to find what will work for you is to try each solution before buying - for example, my experience has been the exact opposite of yours, because of personal preference.
I'm coming from about a decade of working with Wacom products and my personal workflow has ended up very reliant on things like the expresskeys and particular settings used in desktop applications like Photoshop or CSP, which are completely absent from the iPad Pro. Furthermore, the tilt recognition on the Pencil has always felt very bad in comparison to a Cintiq, there is a lack of barrel rotation detection, and the screens on the Mobile Studio and Cintiq Pro lines have eliminated parallax and greatly reduced cursor lag.
I personally could not work well on an iPad Pro because of these reasons. However, I very much recommend that people do their due diligence in trying out different options before deciding, simply because of how different personal preferences can be, which is clear based on my experience versus moniquemarie's.
Also, while I don't consider a Large Intuos Pro to be an "inexpensive beginner option" at $380, it is indeed an excellent product and also has my wholehearted recommendation.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still using an Wacom Intuos 4 and I'm thinking of upgrading but I don't want to drop $1200 for a hobby so this is actually a pretty good sounding deal to me.
If you are fine with the fact its a refurbished model, go for it. I do love mine for what it does well, its just not an "upgrade" over an Intuos 4 in every aspect.
Ha ha. Yes you're right about that it's not "just an upgrade."
Though I tend to stay away from refurbs, this is probably the price I'm currently willing to pay for since, I'm no pro or does anything important enough to get something new. Perhaps in a few years, I'll be able to get something bigger and new.
Thanks for the fine tips!
Keep your Intuos also, you may find its better than a Cintiq in certain aspects.The biggest flaws of this tablet surfaced while I was creating a painting for a 4 time Grammy winning artist and I have not painted on it since.I still use it to draw daily and hope you take your hobby further with or without the purchase.
any astropad alternative for windows pc/laptop and iPad? Just curious, since this setup would work for me to if there's a way to do it on my existing hardware.
I use Duet Display because of its compatability with the Apple Pencil but the add ons make it one pricey app... it's the most commonly recommended for this purpose from a lot of reviewers.
I used to use twomonUSB, not too many complaints other than no compat. with the pencil and some glitchy drivers that kept upsetting Trend Security. :) Splashtop also looks okay but I think it lacks Pencil support too.
Nice! thanks for that. duet looks exactly like what I'd want.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm curious, have you had a chance to play around with a Surface Pro/Book? I own a Surface Book and it's been my workhorse everywhere I go. It could probably run all the 3D programs you need the laptop for. The only thing is, I'm not sure about then pen experience. I've always thought the pen was nice and well done but it was missing a certain level of polish; it's far from perfect. I don't think there's any tilt recognition in the pen too. So I was wondering how others feel about it, especially those who've used the iPad Pro & pencil as heavily as you.. how does the Surface stack up?
Oh you did a painting for a 4 time Grammy winner? That's really neat man, congrats. I actually do paintings all the time for 10+ Grammy winnings artists, but your thing is cool too.
paintings was just part of creative directing, you see my company has made music videos for labels that belong to eminem, 50 cent, mobb deep, skrillex, deadmau5, wu-tang, hopsin, dmx. Just the camera gear is close to half a million $. Please go try brag elsewhere about your little drawing child.
Thats great dude, glad to hear that old equipment my company sold and replaced with a $2m setup is being put to good use. Everyone in my elite art circle has pretty much agreed that everything we put out is the best.