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reswright
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Feb 4, 2021
Nice! Just ordered a couple sets myself. :)
mdeous
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Feb 5, 2021
reswrightHehe great! Which knives do you plan to upgrade? Did my Malibu and my Lionsteel TRE so far, on the Malibu it makes a noticeable difference to the blade stability, no blade play even with a loose pivot screw.
reswright
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Feb 5, 2021
mdeousNot sure yet. Figure when they get here I'll play around with them a bit and see what I think and then decide which knives to upgrade -- take it from there.
mdeous
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Feb 5, 2021
reswrightI also have some testing to do with the remaning ones. If you notice they fit on knives that aren't listed in the compatibility chart let me know! :)
mdeous
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Feb 7, 2021
reswrightNew compatibility found: the 3/16" 1/16" 11 balls bearings fit perfectly the Pena Mini Diesel.
reswright
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Feb 9, 2021
mdeousYou can add the ZT0460 to the list!
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I hesitate to say this lest I bring the ZT cavalry out of the woodwork but.... it is a dramatic improvement.
reswright
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Feb 10, 2021
mdeousAnd the TS137 Stargazer.
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fits like they were designed for it.
mdeous
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Feb 10, 2021
reswrightThis TS looks nice, I like the blade shape! How did you decide which bearings size to order? Did you just pick a mix hoping they'd fit your knives or did you measure their size on your potential candidates? (it sucks so much that bearings sizes aren't part of published specs...)
reswright
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Feb 10, 2021
mdeousIt’s a cool little cleaver, it front flips and it finger flicks. WRT the Skiff bearings: the former. I have a large enough collection that I figured I’d grab a few sets then entertain myself by prospecting around and see if they fit knives I have and like.. I’ve had about a 25% hit rate on knives I’ve opened up to check them on, so it hasn’t been too bad.
mdeous
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Feb 11, 2021
reswrightMakes sense, I should have ordered a larger variety...
reswright
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Feb 14, 2021
mdeousThe 1/4 inch 13 count cages fit the SOG Kiku XR. :)
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reswright
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Feb 14, 2021
mdeousAnd the TwoSun TS-103:
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mdeous
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Feb 15, 2021
reswrightYou made me order more (I hope you're proud of yourself, huh!? 😛), I should be able to counter-attack soon! I wonder if their double-row bearings will fit my Lynx, I hope so. Btw, there's a thread somewhere on reddit if you want your findings to be reflected in the compatibility spreadsheet (got the Mini Diesel added to it).
reswright
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Feb 15, 2021
mdeousI ordered more as well. It's been a lot of fun taking knives apart and comparing bearings. I find myself paying a lot more attention now to the specifics of bearing cages -- bearing diameter, outer and inner cage diameter, bearing count, stuff like that. Now that the multirow bearings are back in stock I'm most interested in seeing if they fit some of my knives. I'm finding that the large rings are more likely to fit into a knife with a similar sized cage than the mid sized ones are -- the bearings line up with the races and the outer diameter usually fits the pocket but the inner diameter's just sliiiiightly too narrow to fit several pivots. Taken apart at least a dozen knives I thought would take the mid sized cage, but only the ZT 0460's been a fit so far. If it were just a washer I'd just widen the inner diameter a bit and just go with it but with these cages I'm staying away from that, no idea what internal distortion might be caused by reaming or even boring out the inner diameter. Something else that I'm seeing a lot of -- budget knives with ceramic bearings but no race washers, where the liner and in some cases even the tang are getting chewed up because ceramic bearings are so much harder than the steel they're pressing into. Everyone 'prefers' ceramic bearings -- I'm guilty of it too -- but for a budget setup I'm starting to conclude that stainless steel bearings make more sense if there isn't a hardened washer there. It doesn't seem to be as big a deal for companies like Kizer Vanguard and Harnds that mill in decent races but the companies that are just slapping in ceramics and letting them wear a pathway in with use are really seeing the pivot works get chewed up with time. It's not even wear, it's uneven crushing -- and I'd imagine a lot of users are trying to deal with it by tightening the works down more, which just adds to it. I definitely wish Skiff made milled and micropolished race washers to go with their bearing cages, or that someone else made them to fit Skiff's models. But I'm not gonna look the gift horse in the mouth -- it's been enjoyable just fiddling around with the cages.
mdeous
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Feb 16, 2021
reswrightI've had the same surprise with the mid size cages, many knives I thought they'd fit on but where the pivot was slightly too large. What's been your experience in using larger cages on those? I'd be afraid that they'd move around the pivot and somehow mess up the races in the washers, unless they fit perfectly the pocket to prevent any play around the pivot. I'll give a try to the multi rows on a few knives, but given how much larger they are, I'm not sure they'd fit anything that doesn't already run on multi rows bearings. I've also noticed that a few knives I have use much smaller cages than I anticipated, which was weird as they're small knives but not that small to justify using tiny cages. Not sure what motivates manufacturers to use a size rather than another. I had never thought of ceramic vs steel bearings though (and I'm definitely guilty of preferring ceramic ones, marketing got us there...) but that definitely makes sense. I'd guess that manufacturers know it's not so good, but they still use them as a selling argument because in everyone's mind "ceramic is better".
reswright
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Feb 16, 2021
mdeous

because in everyone's mind "ceramic is better". Yup. "What's been your experience in using larger cages on those? I'd be afraid that they'd move around the pivot and somehow mess up the races in the washers, unless they fit perfectly the pocket to prevent any play around the pivot. That's why I haven't done it. I suppose you'd be ok if you managed to mill in substantial races -- then the bearings might stay in their races. Otherwise the bearing orbital will come off center, which will roughen the action and give it a messed up gravelly feel but more to the point may lead to spontaneous blade wobble or weakness to lateral force upon the blade. Which you would discover by surprise, which could get bad fast. I'll give a try to the multi rows on a few knives, but given how much larger they are, I'm not sure they'd fit anything that doesn't already run on multi rows bearings. Ditto. They probably won't fit knives that aren't already milled for them -- and even if they look like they'll fit, there's been more than once that I took apart a knife and swapped in a set of bearings that I thought would improve the flip, only to end up taking them right back out because if anything the flip was worse with the 'better' bearings in. If I saw one that really looked like it might be milled wide enough for multi orbital bearings -- maybe I'd give it a try, but I own several knives with multiorbital nylon bearing cages so it's probably going to be a while before I have a set of Skiff multiorbitals just sitting around burning a hole in my pocket waiting to be dropped into a build. I dunno, maybe I'll get a really really precise drill press and start counterboring pockets and acquiring hardened washers to mill polished races into. At that point, yeah, I'm eccentric enough to see if I can drop a full MRBS into an existing project knife that wasn't already prepped for them. But I'd be screwing around at that point instead of actually making the knife better, know what I mean? It'd be like putting monster truck tires on a sedan.
reswright
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Feb 17, 2021
mdeousLooks like the 5MM rings might fit the setups we've been talking about the 3/16th rings being too tight around the pivot.
reswright
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Feb 17, 2021
reswrightLOL NVM
mdeous
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Feb 17, 2021
reswrightHaha, they don't in the end? :(
reswright
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Feb 17, 2021
mdeousUnfortunately. The 1/4 inch with the 1/16 bearings seems far and away to be the most compatible with existing knives I own. None of my 2mm bearing rings of any size have fit a knife I have tried them in -- they fit some pivots and races but end up being too thick.
mdeous
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Feb 17, 2021
reswrightThat sucks. I'm waiting for my order but it's taking a while as I opted for the slow shipping method this time. I'll see if I have any knife in which they fit. As we were talking about multi-rows, I don't own any ZT, but you might be interested in this: https://tacobearings.com/
reswright
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Feb 17, 2021
mdeousSaw those the other day!
reswright
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Feb 19, 2021
mdeousI should amend my statement -- the 5mm cages with the larger bearings aren't a fit. But the 5mm 1/16 in bearing cages just might, by the stats. The smart thing to do would be to order a set and check to see before I ordered more (he said, right after he ordered a bunch of sets). I have a funny feeling that these might fit a bunch of the knives I've had apart the last few days, though - including some Drop knives. Have to wait and see tho.
reswright
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Feb 19, 2021
reswrightGenerally speaking the cages with 2MM bearings don't seem to be a fit for much of anything. That is, they fit the pivot, and often fit the pocket, but it's like trying to close a suitcase that's got too much stuff in it.
mdeous
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Feb 19, 2021
reswrightThat's also my feeling about the 5mm 1/16, except that when I made my first order I was stupid enough to invert the ordered count... I bought a few 3/16 1/16 and one 5mm instead of doing the opposite, so I now have a few 3/16 that I have no use of (for now at least)... I have a ordered a few more of those 5mm, as well as 2 of each other type (so that I don't get frustrated if I find one fitting multiple ones knives ^^), still waiting to receive them, but I expect a lot of fun when they'll finally be there! :) As per the smaller ones, I had good hope they'd fit in the QuietCarry IQ or other knives with similar tiny cages, I guess we'll see!
reswright
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Feb 21, 2021
mdeousThey don’t fit the IQ.
reswright
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Feb 21, 2021
mdeousWe can add the Tuya Kostoba, the Reate Bushido, the Drop x FF Buc, and the WE Double Helix to the list of pivots compatible to the 5mm 1/16th inch rings, though!
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reswright
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Feb 21, 2021
mdeousAlas, no luck on the multirow cages. I can confirm that the multirow bearings do not fit any of the multirow bearing knives I have, which include the Rike M1 and M3, the Tuya Cebu, and the Real Steel Havran and Akuma.
reswright
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Feb 21, 2021
mdeous1/4” 1/16th compatibility update: TwoSun TS264:
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TwoSun TS159:
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TwoSun TS80:
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Rike RK801G:
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mdeous
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Feb 21, 2021
reswrightYou've got quite a few TwoSun's!! Too bad for the IQ (although it already has a pretty amazing action for such a small blade if I'm honest). If the Buc is a fit, maybe the Crux will be as well. You also give me hope for my Reate Tribute. Still waiting for my order... I'm getting impatient...
reswright
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Feb 21, 2021
mdeousYou've got quite a few TwoSun's!! There's many more where those came from :)
reswright
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Feb 25, 2021
mdeousAfter carefully measuring the bearing works on my TwoSun Dynamo I just inquired about a custom order of 4mm ID 8mm OD 3/64" bearing cage sets. I'm sure it'll be pricy but his website does say he does custom runs and I'd be picking up several sets, because I'm pretty sure this size will also fit a lot of the small pivot, small cage knives I've been looking at, where even the 3/16ths rings are way too big to fit. If he's a go for the work I'll let you know, you might be able to piggyback an order for a few sets if you put it in timely.
mdeous
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Feb 25, 2021
reswrightThat's neat! I really need to get some calipers to know the exact size of the bearings for the knives I'd like to upgrade the most. I don't know if it's the weather or just USPS being USPS, but my order is taking a whiiiiile to arrive!
reswright
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Feb 25, 2021
mdeousBTW the 5m 1/16” cages also fit the: Ganzo FH41, FH81, and 727M:
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the Civivi Baklash and Brazen:
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The Harnds Assassin:
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the CJRB Feldspar:
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and the QSP Leopard:
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reswright
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Feb 25, 2021
reswrightI'm prepared to say they're probably going to fit the rest of the Ganzo FH line, as well as many other Civivis and CJRBs. Harnds and QSP seem to use a wider range of bearings, so I'm less sanguine that there's several other models out there that would take Skiffs. BTW, they did NOT fit the Drop Zinker Dogtooth or the Kizer Vanguard Mini Sheepdog. They won't go into the pockets on the Dogtooth; they do go into the mini Sheepdog but I don't think they properly fit the races and the flip was rough, so I pulled 'em right back out. I have one more tranche of 1/4" 1/16" cages coming and then I'm probably going to call myself satisfied for a bit. This has been a lot of fun though.
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reswright
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Feb 26, 2021
mdeousBTW, your order might be taking a while but you can console yourself with this: for whatever reason he's never sent me any stickers like you got, and I've ordered a bunch of his bearing cages by now.
mdeous
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Feb 26, 2021
reswrightOmg the vision of all those bearings mixed together triggers me so much, I know they're all supposed to be the same, but still... Are the Ganzo's really that good for the price that you started upgrading them? The fact that a lot of their designs is so similar to other brands' has always made me very hesitant to buy their knives. Regarding the stickers, that indeed consoles me a bit, dunno why I got some and not you though, maybe it's the French charm 🤷🏻‍♂️.
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reswright
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Feb 26, 2021
mdeousLOL, they're actually not all the same size! Far from it. Most are different. I don't wanna be cruel, so here you go:
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I don't find 'em hard to sort and in any case am lucky enough to not be bothered by disorder. As far as Ganzos, honestly I've always loved 'em. They're budget knives, but I like the build quality quite a bit. With the 'lookalikes' they do, it can be hard to tell just from a pic but they're nearly always substantially different in size. Their Osborne clone, for example, is huge, totally unlike the slim and dainty original. Their Bedlam clone is smaller than the original, which you may remember was huge. Some other models are closer to the original (like their version of the RAT 1 is only 1/4 inch or so off the original). Their RAT 2 clone has bearings and a crossbar lock and is fidgeter heaven. For people who, understandably, find legal copycats like these to be distasteful, their FH line are all original designs and pretty good flip knives despite being made with D2, which I dislike. I pocket them now and then even though they cost much much less than a lot of what I carry.
mdeous
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Mar 1, 2021
reswrightHaha thank you! I'm glad I hadn't noticed all the different sizes! 😂 I should probably try a Ganzo some day and make my own opinion about it, after all given the price it's not a huge deal if I'm disappointed. I didn't even know they have original designs. I admit I never looked too much at it, but I have mixed feelings about clones, I'm not in favor of companies stealing others designs obviously, but I don't think they're that evil either, to me they don't target the same user base anyway, people who can afford the real deal will probably still go for it, and people who can't get access to the design they want. I wouldn't buy one of their clone models, but I might try one of their designs someday.
reswright
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Mar 1, 2021
mdeous
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Sorted them out and added matched pairs to keyrings. This should keep them straight but won't be a huge hassle to store. Easy enough to remove a matched pair whenever I find a purpose for them.
mdeous
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Mar 1, 2021
reswrightThis is very pleasing to see! <3 So far I've stored the original bearings in the bag the replacement ones came in, but I'm wondering if I'll ever have any use of these at some point anyway.
reswright
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Mar 1, 2021
mdeousYeah, I have no idea if I'm going to drop them into anything, but I am averse to throwing such things away. Bit of a pack rat like my father before me and his before him.
reswright
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Mar 2, 2021
mdeousAlas, Steve Skiff is a no on the smaller bearings for now, he thinks he may make such rings in the future but says the jump to 3/64" bearings will take him a while. Too bad.
mdeous
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Mar 2, 2021
reswrightOh, that sucks! So he might take custom orders but not for bearings smaller than the ones he already makes? (I'm trying to understand what would then be a valid custom order) On other news, one of my orders has apparently reached France, already!! 🎉 (the most recent order though, go figure, the older one is still searching its way through USPS limbo... (not sure that sentence makes sense in English))
reswright
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Mar 2, 2021
mdeousIt makes more sense in English than 'getting the latest package you ordered before one you ordered previously' makes in any language I know. :)
reswright
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Mar 2, 2021
mdeousRe: valid custom orders, I guess he'll make custom cages with the 1/16th and the 2mm bearings but ramping up on a new bearing size is harder to achieve.
reswright
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Mar 2, 2021
mdeousAdd the following: TwoSun TS162:
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TwoSun TS136
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TwoSun TS196
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TwoSun TS138:
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TwoSun TS190:
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Bestech Falko:
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Kunwu Orion:
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Don’t worry dude, I’m sure they’ll arrive before the next Ice Age :)
mdeous
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Mar 3, 2021
reswrightThese 1/4" 1/16" really seem to really fit a lot of knives (and most TwoSun's apparently), that's good to know! (but if that's true, I might have to make yet another order...)
mdeous
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Mar 9, 2021
reswrightSoooo, I finally received my orders (yes, both!)! It looks like you prefer bigger knives than I do, because the 1/4" 1/16" don't fit any of my knives 😅. The ones I've had the most luck with so far are the 5mm 1/16", which also fit the Reate Tribute btw.
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I still have a few more tests to do, but I also noticed Skiff released some 1/8" 1/16" that I hadn't noticed before, I need to check if they could be compatible with anything. Oh, and I didn't get any more stickers, looks like the charm only worked once.
reswright
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Mar 9, 2021
mdeousso far the 1/8 inch cages fit nothing for me. The pivots that are too small for 3/16ths have smaller diameter bearings and the Skiffs won't fit in when you reassemble the knife.
mdeous
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Mar 9, 2021
mdeous5mm 1/16" also fit the GiantMouse ACE Biblio (was already reassembled when I thought about taking a pic...).
reswright
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Mar 9, 2021
mdeousIt looks like you prefer bigger knives than I do, because the 1/4" 1/16" don't fit any of my knives 😅. Guess you're gonna have to pick up a couple TwoSuns. :)
reswright
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Mar 9, 2021
mdeousNice. Haven't yet pulled the trigger on a GiantMouse but everyone seems to like them a lot.
mdeous
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Mar 10, 2021
reswrightI really like the Biblio, not too long but quite large so it doesn't feel like a small knife in hand. It's not drop-shutty (although the detent could probably be tuned to get close to it) but still super smooth, and the overall fit and finish make it very pleasant to the eye. It might be a bit bulkier than others in the pocket, but I never felt like it was an issue. I'd like to have more TwoSuns, I really like them, but most of them are too big for my taste. The only one I like with the right size is the Bronc and it's already on its way to me :).
reswright
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Mar 10, 2021
mdeousBtw the Ruike P801 takes both Taco Bearing 808s and Skiff 5MM 1/16” cages.
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giving the faintest edge to the Tacos. They cost close to twice as much so not a huge surprise.
reswright
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Mar 10, 2021
mdeousYou’d probably like a couple of the Max Tkachev designs. Alas, those take the itty bitty bearings.
reswright
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Mar 10, 2021
mdeousAnd the Tuyaknife Envy 2:
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as expected the 1/4 1/16 also fits the TS180:
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reswright
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Mar 10, 2021
reswrightFunny thing, I thought the TwoSun Shockwave wasn't properly accepting the cages so I took them out. But after dropping them into a ton of other Tepes I started wondering if I'd boned something up. I had. Something just must have not been aligned right. I dropped the set back in voila the Shockwave takes the 1/4 inch rings with 1/16th bearings, as smooth as you like. I forgot to take a picture but it's all good.
mdeous
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Mar 11, 2021
reswrightSo those tacos would fit anything where the 5mm 1/16" would fit, right? (they're insanely expensive though!)
mdeous
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Mar 11, 2021
reswrightYou’d probably like a couple of the Max Tkachev designs. Alas, those take the itty bitty bearings. Which knives did he design besides the Kansept Prickle? That's the only one I found from a quick googling.
mdeous
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Mar 11, 2021
mdeousThe 5mm 1/16" bearings also fit the Drop+Gavko Nurse:
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reswright
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Mar 11, 2021
mdeousThe outer diameter is bigger, so, no. They'll fit anything the 5mms fit around the pivot, but they want a little more room on the outer diameter.
mdeous
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Mar 11, 2021
reswrightI see, I think I'll stick with Skiff's ones, the taco ones would be really too expensive for me with the shipping to order just a couple ones to try.
reswright
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Mar 11, 2021
mdeousRoger that. The only knives I've found in my collection that will take them appear to be my Ruikes, so if you don't have any of those or any ZTs it's kind of a longshot that you'd be able to put a set to use. I'm reasonably sure Ruike, which is the knife brand for Fenix the flashlight maker, is OEMed by SRM and/or Real Steel knives. Some are easy to ID as RSK make, or at the very least they closely ape RSK build practices and use the same materials. Some seem a lot more like SRM. But RSK and SRM share so many similarities that if it weren't for the repeated word of a VP at RSK I would think they were the same organization underneath. All this is to say that the Ruikes that remind me the most of SRM are the ones that seem to be most likely fits for Tacos. I haven't checked the ones that look a lot more like RSK's recent work.
reswright
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Mar 13, 2021
mdeous
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Skiffs at right, Tacos at left. You can see the Tacos have a slightly larger outer diameter. Not much but pivot swapping is a game of microns :)
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousFerrum Forge Stinger - 5mm 1/16" cages
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mdeous
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Mar 14, 2021
reswrightYou mean Skiff at left and Tacos at right, correct? There's indeed quite some difference in OD between both, it would require a lot of extra room in the pockets to fit them I think. I couldn't find their measurements on the website, do you know how large is their OD exactly?
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousYeah, I forgot the microscope reverses the image.
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeous
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In inches for ease of comparison to Skiffs.
mdeous
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Mar 14, 2021
reswrightThank you sir! 🙇‍♂️
mdeous
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Mar 14, 2021
reswrightLooks like you can now add stickers to your order, in case you plan to order some more ;) https://www.skiffmadeblades.com/collections/bearings/products/sticker-pack
mdeous
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousThe 1/4" 2mm fit the pivot and pockets of the AmericanBladeWorks V5 but they make the action super gritty, it looks like the balls are a bit bigger, maybe that's what messes things up. By the way, the ABW V5 is the most painful knife to disassemble/reassemble I've had, the pivot goes in from the same side as the one you access the liner screws from, but you need to take the pivot out to remove the scale so you have to push it out to disassemble the knife, and you have to put it in last when you reassemble it. A bit like you would do with an integral except here you have to screw the liners while holding everything in place before you can do that. I don't know why they didn't make it so that the pivot comes in from the other (the right?) side, it makes it a pain to maintain for no apparent reason other than putting the branded pivot on the show side. Oh, and to disassemble it you'll also need 3 different sizes of torx bits and 2 different hex ones.
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mdeous
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousI'm a bit confused, I tried a pair of 5mm 1/16" on a FF Crux and a Kizer Clutch, and while they seemed to fit perfectly, in both cases they made the action worse and made the blade off-center. That's weird as the stock bearings really look exactly the same size as the Skiffs, dunno what happened.
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeouspar for the course with the Kizer. I think the races end up not lining up perfectly. Weird for the Crux though. sounds a bit like me and the Shockwave, should have fit, didn’t seem to. Later I tried again and they fit.
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousIf the bearings are 3/64 on the ABW (the next lower size commonly available) then you’re prolly out of luck with Skiffs.
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Mar 14, 2021
reswrightThe races could definitely be a reason, didn't think about it! I wonder if replacing them with flat washers could do the trick (but then it would lose the benefits of the races, dunno if it's worth it). And there would also be the problem of finding where I can get hardened washers of the right size... Maybe a lot of efforts for a knife that already has an amazing action. Speaking of the Clutch, that's one knife I didn't thought I'd love as much as I do, action is really stellar, and build quality is impressive, I didn't expect it to be so well made.
reswright
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Mar 14, 2021
mdeousI used to think Kizers were just sort of generically good but they've got a distinct style on the pivots and it seems like they made their own pivots and races just a bit differently than the commonly available nylon cage setups. I've had like three or four of them with a set of Skiffs in and ended up taking them back out each time because the original setup felt better in action. The deeper the original races run, the less likely dropping in a set of Skiffs will automatically improve stuff, is what I'm finding. With the ABW, yes, you might be able to find hardened washers of the exact thickness you need. No, I don't know that it'd be worth it. Generally speaking on the blades with awesome action to begin with, if Skiffs or Tacos don't make a difference straight out of the gate, I put the originals right back in. I mean, Skiffs weren't originally made with the idea that they'd be aftermarket mods to existing knives, they aren't necessarily meant to fit a wide range of knives or be useful in them once dropped in, the intention was for people making their own knives to make them with Skiff cages. It's cool to think you modded a knife and made it better, but if it doesn't make it better, why do it -- I mean, bragging rights are kinda hollow if the knife didn't get better, the way I see it. Tacos OTOH were designed to drop into existing knives. The irony is that they fit very few existing knives, whereas Skiffs weren't made with that intention but they work well in many sets.
ktreed4
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Apr 6, 2021
reswrightdid the bushido action improve much?
mdeous
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Apr 15, 2021
ktreed4I'll let reswright answer for the Bushido, but if it's the same as with the Tribute, the improvement was really minor. If you have spare Skiff cages and you feel like your knife "deserves some", do it, otherwise you're better saving them for a knife on which they'll make a real difference.
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