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IanAnderson
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Dec 3, 2015
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oldsteel
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Dec 4, 2015
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IanAndersonThank you for the prompt and reasonable response. You made some excellent points. Yes, Massdrop never said that these are made in USA. However, I'm sure you can understand how all this talk about using the finest Horween Leather from Chicago and associated presentation can lead someone newer to this, to think that these are made in the USA.
I'm not throwing shade on Chevalier or Massdrop. My intention is to help someone who's keen on these to make an informed choice. One reason I like and support Massdrop is because of the community. Every drop that I've participated, I read the discussion. They help me evaluate and make an informed decision on what I buy. I hope to reciprocate.
You're right about Blake stitching being not inferior. I've shoes that are Blake and Goodyear welted. I've seen up close how both are done in shoe workshops.
Both Blake stitching and Goodyear welting serve the same purpose and function. They allow the shoes to be resoled, and are a world of difference from cheaper shoes that are cemented (glued). Utility wise, they are pretty much equal.
The difference is in the methodology. Blake stitching is more economical and efficient. Goodyear welting is labourious and requires hand work. It's the age old argument of analog versus digital. Handcrafted romance versus cold industrial might. Seeing that we're all enthusiasts here, the romance aspect is definitely something to think about.
Goodyear welted shoes are also much easier to resole because they can be removed by hand. Almost every cobbler worth his salt can do it easily. Blake stitch requires a specific Blake stitch machine to resole. I can't speak for all, but I'm not overly concerned because I live in a big city. I can find cobblers who have the capability to resole Blake stitched shoes.
To reiterated, these are clearly well-made shoes. My objective for taking the time to comment is to offer up a clearer picture of what you're buying. So that you can decide if they are worth the money, because at the end of the day, value is subjective.
Personally, I wouldn't join this drop because I don't think they offer me enough value. Your mileage may vary, and you can definitely do a lot worse for the money. The most important thing is that you're armed with the accurate information to make a sound judgement on where to spend your hard earned cash.
I'm not throwing shade on Chevalier or Massdrop. My intention is to help someone who's keen on these to make an informed choice. One reason I like and support Massdrop is because of the community. Every drop that I've participated, I read the discussion. They help me evaluate and make an informed decision on what I buy. I hope to reciprocate.
You're right about Blake stitching being not inferior. I've shoes that are Blake and Goodyear welted. I've seen up close how both are done in shoe workshops.
Both Blake stitching and Goodyear welting serve the same purpose and function. They allow the shoes to be resoled, and are a world of difference from cheaper shoes that are cemented (glued). Utility wise, they are pretty much equal.
The difference is in the methodology. Blake stitching is more economical and efficient. Goodyear welting is labourious and requires hand work. It's the age old argument of analog versus digital. Handcrafted romance versus cold industrial might. Seeing that we're all enthusiasts here, the romance aspect is definitely something to think about.
Goodyear welted shoes are also much easier to resole because they can be removed by hand. Almost every cobbler worth his salt can do it easily. Blake stitch requires a specific Blake stitch machine to resole. I can't speak for all, but I'm not overly concerned because I live in a big city. I can find cobblers who have the capability to resole Blake stitched shoes.
To reiterated, these are clearly well-made shoes. My objective for taking the time to comment is to offer up a clearer picture of what you're buying. So that you can decide if they are worth the money, because at the end of the day, value is subjective.
Personally, I wouldn't join this drop because I don't think they offer me enough value. Your mileage may vary, and you can definitely do a lot worse for the money. The most important thing is that you're armed with the accurate information to make a sound judgement on where to spend your hard earned cash.
Soldat
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Dec 4, 2015
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IanAndersonDo u honestly think $200 for a third world made boot equals affordable!?
I think I now know why all these Md sales aren't as cheap as u claim, and why Amazon and ebay is still cheaper
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-Correct, Chevalier is an Indonesian company and these are made there. I won't make any claims as to which part or what factory since I am not certain on those points. That said, we've been working with their team for a while and have had many great drops with their products. I wouldn't say this is a replacement for Red Wings or Aldens or things of that nature - if that's the thing you want, you should definitely get it - but they are a more affordable way to get a classic style of boot made out of CXL.
-These are blake/rapid stitched, but to be clear, this is not an inferior welting technique when compared to Goodyear, just different. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but are well-respected ways to make shoes. Most Italian shoes are b/r welted these days, for instance, while most English/US shoes are Goodyear.
Happy to answer any more questions.