Diamine Shimmering Ink (3-Pack) Discussions | Drop

May 30, 2017

This is gray market goods. I want to make sure I get the real thing, so I will buy from a local retailer.

May 30, 2017

Sparkle

Jun 1, 2017

penman8What do you mean?

Jun 1, 2017

Jun 1, 2017

SparkleThese goods are not coming from a legitimate source. They are not be delivered by the manufacturer, nor a distributor or authorized retailer in the U.S. There are many people out there that will sell copy cat products to capitalize on a legitimate product

Jun 1, 2017

Sparkle

Jun 1, 2017

penman8I understand what gray market good are. I wonder how you know that it is not coming from a legitimate source?

Jun 1, 2017

semka

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Jul 3, 2017

penman8You don't know that. Very often authorized dealers that otherwise have to adhere to MAP will sell to third parties like Massdrop on the condition that they are not named.

Jul 3, 2017

Jul 3, 2017

semkaYes, I do know that. A retailer will not sell to an unauthorized seller and risk losing the line, nor would they sell to a site that is the retailers competition. This could also be old ink that an overseas retailer is dumping or not legitimate product at all. That is also why there is such a long ship date.

Jul 3, 2017

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kunalkumar

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Jul 5, 2017

penman8Please keep away from slander. There have been many a Diamine drop on Massdrop that have been received by community members.

Jul 5, 2017

Jul 5, 2017

kunalkumarCareful when you start throwing around the word slander. Nothing said here is false. You are not an authorized retailer.

Jul 5, 2017

dhoepp

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Sep 17, 2017

penman8Massdrop communicates with the vendor/manufacturer to come to an agreement essentially saying “if I can get people to buy 500 of these, will you take 20% off the price?” Then you see the product on Massdrop.
Ship times are long because Massdrop places a bulk order with the vendor/manufacturer of 500+, sometimes multiple times that, when they are used to shopping individual orders to customers. Then when the cargo ship arrives, they sort through the hundreds of boxes to prepare individual shipments for their customers and turn it around as fast as they can.

Sep 17, 2017

Sep 17, 2017

dhoeppYou could not be more off base. Several of the products, Massdrop is not buying from the manufacturers. They are buying from third party or gray market. That is one reason why it takes so long. It they were buying from the manufacturer, it would not take 6-10 weeks to receive.

Sep 17, 2017

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dhoepp

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Sep 17, 2017

penman8Currently Diamene does not ship orders greater than £100 out of the UK, without working it out over the phone. Perhaps that adds to shipping times.

Sep 17, 2017

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Sep 17, 2017

dhoeppDiamine is not selling Massdrop. I have factual knowledge about the activity. The products are being purchased through gray market, PERIOD.

Sep 17, 2017

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dhoepp

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Sep 17, 2017

penman8I apologize if I offended you. I’m just trying to prevent you from thinking negatively about Massdrop. I have been buying from Massdrop for years and have never gotten not the real thing. Without it slipping past Massdrop’s knowledge. In which case they will correct the issue.

Sep 17, 2017

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Sep 20, 2017

penman8Repeating something doesn't make it true. You say you have factual knowledge, but all's I see is another user account just like mine. What's your evidence, and where is it?

Sep 20, 2017

Sep 20, 2017

spinneYou are not entitled to know what I know and how I know it. Sometimes you have to repeat the same thing, because for some it takes longer to sink in. There are people who will disagree that they have always gotten the real thing. Maybe you have just been lucky. Massdrop cannot correct an item if they have been sold a product that is not authentic, or if there are product issues when it has been purchased on the gray market.

Sep 20, 2017

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Sep 20, 2017

penman8Okay, so you don't have anything of value to share. Got it, thanks.

Sep 20, 2017

Sep 20, 2017

spinneThis is why things need to be repeated. You are not entitled to the inside knowledge. I am not sure what you are adding to the conversation either. So I won't be responding to anymore comments you offer.

Sep 20, 2017

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Sep 20, 2017

penman8You are not entitled to any credibility, and that *doesn't* need to be repeated: it's just truth.

Sep 20, 2017

Mar 5, 2018

penman8So.... I'm confused too by this whole line of conversation. You say that the 'grey market' items might be copy cat, then say maybe they're old stock..... But claim to have first hand knowledge of the transaction going on here? If that were true it seems to me that you would know whether these were fake or old, not saying maybe this, maybe that.
If you have something legitimate to share, the drop is live again, share it and help out the community. Otherwise, the whole "You are not entitled to know what I know and how I know it" sounds like a load of BS
So, anything actually useful/solid/concrete to contribute before myself and others make up their minds on joining this?

Mar 5, 2018

sjek

Mar 5, 2018

KavikAll I can say is that I received the exact same bottle of ink from Massdrop that I bought from Gouletpens.com a month ago. I would not have kept it had it not looked the same and worked the same. As it was from this year's offerings, it couldn't have been old stock. Besides, I have ink I have been using for years, so who cares whether it was a year old or not?

Mar 5, 2018

Mar 5, 2018

sjekThanks sjek. Figured there was nothing to the claims, but thought I'd try one more time to see if he would elaborate lol

Mar 5, 2018

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Mar 5, 2018

KavikFor the record, I'm using the Shimmertastic ink I bought half a year ago and I totally love it. The glitter settles out pretty quickly, so make sure to invert your pen if you're disappointed by the initial lack of sparkle.

Mar 5, 2018

Mar 5, 2018

spinneWill keep that in mind, thanks. I joined in for 3 sets, couldn't make up my mind lol

Mar 5, 2018

Mar 5, 2018

spinneI have a lot more credibility than you on the subject. Because of my involvement (not for publication), I know the facts as I stated previously that this is gray market goods.

Mar 5, 2018

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Mar 5, 2018

KavikOnce again, if you choose not to believe what I am stating, then you are taking the risk and will probably be the first to complain when the ink does not work for you. Do you really think Diamine would sell to a flash site, that is trashing their name with these offers? My knowledge cannot be published, but believe me it is internal.

Mar 5, 2018

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Mar 5, 2018

penman8Well, i think Diamine is in business to make sales, like any other business. And I don't necessarily think they are selling direct to MD, it's most likely through one of their retailers. But so what if the retailer is willing to take a hit on their profit margins for larger volume? Diamine already got their same cut either way, when the retailer bought their stock.
You gotta understand, repeatedly saying "I know things, but can't tell you how", in this type of situation....it's going to be met with skepticism.
I don't get the comment about how this site is trashing their name though? How is offering a discount on a bulk order (not a flash sale) trashing anything?
P. S. To your response to spinne: We're not seeing stated facts here, all you've given on the topic of "grey market" claims is 'maybe it's fake', or 'maybe it's old'. To say you can't give your source is one thing, but you haven't even given a solid position on what you think the actual issue is....which one would think you would be able to do if you had actual inside information regarding this sale (as opposed to assumptions based on general restrictions Diamine places on its retailers, which I believe sounds more or the case here)

Mar 5, 2018

Mar 5, 2018

KavikOK, well you keep that thought. A retailer would not sell to their competition (Massdrop). So when you are in the business and not a consumer trying to save a dollar by purchasing grey market goods, then you can state facts about what is going on. That applies to not just this product but all products the "pen community" wants to save a dollar on. When they put their retailers out of business, good luck with trying to satisfy your needs for new products in writing instruments. So until then, discussion closed.

Mar 5, 2018

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