What is the ETA califber in this? In addition, am I the only one who is sick of every company claiming that their ETA or ETA clone is their own movement? I prefer ETA movements.
SkipPpIt's an ETA 2824-2 movement which has been modified to beat slower at 6 ticks per second vs the usual 8. This allows for greater accuracy as well as the 80 hour power reserve vs the usual 40 or so hours.
SkipPpThis is the H-10 movement a derivative of the ETA2824-2, the H-10 is only used by the Swatch group. They made modification on it, power reserve, etc. you can fine info online for the differences.
SkipPpNo actually you're right. The higher the beat frequency of the escapement in a high beat watch, the lower its sensitivity to external mechanical disturbances. Hence, the better its achievable accuracy.
I misspoke I guess. The lower beat rate relates only to the power reserve. The higher accuracy is a separate finding about the H10 movement vs the equivalent ETA movement. People on the forums are REGULARLY getting +/- a second or two daily with the H10. Whether its the tuning or upgraded parts or who knows what, it simply seems to be more accurate right out of the box.
Though, I will agree with your original sentiment. There are way too many watch companies out there that perform minimal or simply cosmetic modifications to pre-existing movements then brand them as their own. I think the H10 however earns a bit of a distinction as its own thing despite being heavily based on the ETA movement.
FlypanamI recently got a Tissot, which also has a "modified" ETA movement and an 80 hour power reserve. Both companies, being owned by swatch, are probably sharing the technology to make the adjustment, as both movements have a 21,600 beat, which is stepped down from the 28,800 of the original ETA, and neither can be easily adjusted (Tissot is laser timed out of the factory) . This watch does not tout the "advanced ceramic materials" that the Tissot does and comes at a higher price point (Tissot was about 399), also the Tissot has a big day/date. I will say that the Tissot, though not COSC certified (in the version I got) still met the qualification right out of the box, within about +/- 6 sec/day!
SkipPp Hamilton and ETA are both subsidiaries of the Swatch Group. H-10 is a heavily modified ETA 2824-2 and became ETA C07.111 movement. It is similar to Tissot (another Swatch subsidiary) Powermatic 80 movement.
Fathertime1961How is the dial on the Tissot? I really wanted to get the off-center watch they make (looks like an FP Journe or Lange), but when I see the dials in jewelry stores Tissot watches often look terrible. I was too scared to pull the trigger online. Hamilton watches often have killer dials (especially the silver ones). I really do not know. There are no decent watch stores near my home save for Seiko or ultra-high end.
SkipPpI really like the dial and Jomashop is a good online source with good values. Here is the link to the exact watch I got. I think it was a GREAT value (especially since my wife paid for it as a birthday present! lol). https://www.jomashop.com/tissot-watch-t035-407-16-051-02.html
Fathertime1961Nice. The model I was looking at was the Couturier. I am nervous about the dial though. It was only $300 a week or so ago. Then again, I should wait a bit longer and get the Eterna 1942 Pulsometer. I love that watch.
SkipPpThe series I have is a Couturier, just a different model, and I agree with you about the dial on the model to which you are referring. The Eterna has a nice dial and complications, though I don't love the green numbers (however as an omage to a classic it fits). At that price point I am a big fan of used watches, and would look into a Tag Heuer Colt Automatic. But that is the wonderful thing about watches, and aesthetics in general, there is no right or wrong, just different tastes! Enjoy collecting. I am at 100+ in wrist watches and 22+ in pocket watches and still the love grows! :)
I misspoke I guess. The lower beat rate relates only to the power reserve. The higher accuracy is a separate finding about the H10 movement vs the equivalent ETA movement. People on the forums are REGULARLY getting +/- a second or two daily with the H10. Whether its the tuning or upgraded parts or who knows what, it simply seems to be more accurate right out of the box.
Though, I will agree with your original sentiment. There are way too many watch companies out there that perform minimal or simply cosmetic modifications to pre-existing movements then brand them as their own. I think the H10 however earns a bit of a distinction as its own thing despite being heavily based on the ETA movement.