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DannyMilks
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Feb 6, 2018
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Greetings Friends,
I'm super happy to announce our newest collaboration - the Ultralight Double Sleeping Pad. This builds on our success of Massdrop x Klymit pads with ultralight 20 denier fabric, non-slip treatment on part on the bottom fabric, and fast inflate/deflate valves. We've listened to our members who have made it clear that there is demand for a double-wide pad in this same style.
What's wrong with current options on the market?
Weight: Most double pads are meant for car camping and therefore are typically too heavy to take backpacking.
Size: Also, many existing double pads are too wide to fit into the most popular light and ultralight shelters.
Cost: Since most double pads are made for car camping, they tend to be of lower quality. The only truly ultralight pad, made by Exped, costs $300 - well out of the range of what most people will spend.
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Our Ultralight Double prototype with my custom EE two-person quilt.
We wanted to address these issues and give you an option to cuddle with your best hiking partner. You no longer have to fiddle with straps to couple two pads together, leaving cold air gaps. You can now afford to get a pad that is both comfortable and light. We've been able to increase the thickness to 3.2" to help you achieve your best night of sleep. And this makes it a great fit for not just backpacking, but also cabin trips, car camping, and luxurious solo trips.
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As for the size, this double pad is essentially double of our regular pad. However, it feels bigger because you're sharing the space with someone so you don't feel the edge effect as much. Yet, it's small enough to fit into a "solo" tent like the Tarptent Protrail. To illustrate, check at me and Yanbo (Mech Keys Product Manager) testing out an early prototype in our office. He's a buff dude with wide shoulders, and at 6'0" and 200 lbs, I'm no munchkin either. Yet here we are laying shoulder to shoulder with our elbows still on the pad. So, cuddling with your sweetie should be easy peasy for most folks.
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Note that we lengthened the pad a bit from this earlier prototype
We've also heard you that for a pad like this, it would be ideal to have an air pump bag that is also a dry bag / stuff sack. We are working on one right now and will include it with every double pad. We do not have any photo-ready samples yet, though I can share the basic specs: 20d fabric, seam sealed with roll top, and about twice as wide as the current Klymit rapid air pump.
Happy to hear your thoughts on this! The drop starts Thursday morning and will run through all of February. Shipping will be early summer and we'll have a more specific date by Thursday.
-Danny
Feb 6, 2018
tyler256
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Feb 6, 2018
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I hope this one sticks around for a while. I don't need it yet, but as soon as I get a double sleeping bag, this would be a great addition.
Feb 6, 2018
DannyMilks
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Feb 6, 2018
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Thanks for the note! I have a Nunatak double and it's a bit big for my tastes. So I had EE make an Enigma in Extra Extra Wide and it's fantastic for me and my wife. And now that I have two kids, it's also a good quilt to share with them.
Feb 6, 2018
CasperbAndersen
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Feb 6, 2018
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Awesome news about the pump bag/dry bag, will it be possible to buy just the pump bag/dry bag alone or do you have to buy a pad in order to get it? 20 d sounds a bit heavy for a pump bag, but I will have to wait and see what you come up with before I can form an informed opinion. :-) also the current klymit rapid air pump is very narrow, sure hope that twice the width is sufficient enough.
Feb 6, 2018
DannyMilks
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Feb 6, 2018
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I'm pushing to make it out of 15d, just have to make sure it is robust enough. Ideally yes, once we have delivered the first round of double pads, we'll try to make the pump sack available on it's own. I've been testing the pump sack in that size and it works great. Takes maybe 5-6 fills of the sack to pump up the entire double pad.
Feb 6, 2018
BericKLYN
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Feb 7, 2018
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This is so close to what I am looking for. Any chance you'll make one out of similar materials in dimensions like your original double V pads? I'm looking for something like the Exped duo LW pad, but don't want to shell out $300+.
Feb 7, 2018
DannyMilks
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Feb 7, 2018
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No, we won't be making a double pad in the larger dimensions in our lightweight 20d fabric.
Feb 7, 2018
Shobester24
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Feb 8, 2018
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This is going to save me 15.3 oz. I currently use Klymit v duo for most of my outdoor needs. My wife and I did 70miles section hike last year with the Klymit v duo. This checks off many of my wants and if massdrop can keep the price close to exsisting Klymit v duo drop I might buy both insulated and non. Joking aside I am looking forward to this drop. Also how much weight savings would 15d amount to?
Feb 8, 2018
CasperbAndersen
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Feb 8, 2018
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If you mean the sleeping pad then it cannot be made in 15 D because that would not be strong enough to hold air under the pressure of a human body I believe. The 15D question is only regarding a pump bag/dry sack and there could be some potential weight savings
Feb 8, 2018
DannyMilks
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Feb 8, 2018
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First, denier isn't a measure of weight, so it's possible to have a 15d fabric that is heavier than a 20d. Second, we're considering the lightest pump sack that we feel can reliably take the pressure that will be applied. The difference between 15d and 20d for the pump sack would only be a few grams, because it's not that much fabric and there are set weights, like the pump valve, the seam tape, and the buckles. I wish I had the exact specs already.
Feb 8, 2018
CasperbAndersen
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Feb 8, 2018
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I am aware it is not a measure of weight. In my mind I was comparing the Klymit rapid air pump and the Sea to summit Air Stream Dry Sack. Sorry if I created confusion.
Feb 8, 2018
gnarledcoulee
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Feb 9, 2018
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Flat valves for both uninsulated and insulated?
Feb 9, 2018
DannyMilks
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Feb 9, 2018
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Feb 9, 2018
Cbslc
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Feb 14, 2018
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Could the inflate bag double as a pillow?
Feb 14, 2018
Spiemel
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Feb 16, 2018
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@DannyMilks Please please consider adding a strap system with this so we can turn this into a 2 person 'love seat' at basecamp (see the Sea to Summit Air Chair concept, I hope the concept is not patented or anything). The thing is that bringing two S2S Air Chairs with 2 pads was a lot lighter than bringing 2 separate camp chairs (even the lightest weight ones are 600gr). Having a double pad removed the possibility of turning the 2 sleeping pads into comfortable chairs through the air chair system. I think almost every UL buyer of a 2 person pad would also consider adding that to their kit.
Feb 16, 2018
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