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Firevince

Oct 30, 2019

These or the discounted hifiman h4xx? (130$) I have a Schiit Fulla 2 as DAC/Amp

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Oct 30, 2019

FirevinceThey're both good. I actually sold of my LCD2C's (which sounded better than this), solely due to comfort. Likewise I would assume with HiFiMan H4XX.. Until planar headphones start taking comfort more serious, I can't go with any. The closest that comes to that ideal is Meze Empyrean's. The only problem with those is their MSRP is $3,000. So I'll wait until they can start housing planars in something a bit more reasonable like plastic. There is one thing these H4XX's do better, and that's bass. Less distortion I feel, and much more audible impact from the bass on these.

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Firevince

Oct 30, 2019

JJayJJThanx! Have you tried the HE4xx or the HE-400 or are you just comparing with the LCD2C when you say they have better bass?

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Oct 30, 2019

FirevinceTried the HXX, never tried the 400. I should restate something, the 58X isn't actually lacking in bass, what it truly lacks like most headphones, is sub-bass. And sub-bass is where the differences are mostly notable. Planars (probably due to their size, or just inherent properties) seems to respond to bass adjustments to EQ better than dynamic drivers(again, especially in sub bass). The rest of the frequency range is amazing and super clear and virtually no discernible distortion for something like the 58X. But then again, I like to sometimes listen for less than a minute or so, with headphones being pushed to their limits(I run a THX 789 for this), and dynamic drivers seem to distort sooner than planars. Now where the HXX fails for me personally, is the mid-range and in treble around 6k-8k(I'm guessing somewhat here since it's pretty tough to pinpoint treble frequency). When you push them, you begin to hear minute signs of distortion in the mid range frequencies and a bit "shrill"(this word means nothing, I'm just trying to paint a picture of what distorted treble may sound like). I don't know why this is, the LCD2C's didn't have this issue. Without EQ though, they(58X and HE4XX) both have okay bass (pretty similar in terms of it being "clean") but both are pretty punchy enough. It's just when you try and bass-boost, the HE4XX simply respond more to what you would expect. I hope it's a bit more clear. I usually don't like to employ anecdotal examples, but that was mine - as flawed as it could be, or might be.

Firevince

Oct 30, 2019

JJayJJVery nice and detailed answer thanks! I "feel" as though I like the idea of being able to push better bass(sub-bass) out of the HE4XX, but I don't really know the impact the "shrilly" distorted mids could have on my experience. I plan on mostly listening to Alt-Rock/Metal/Electronic music and some video gaming. Might put off buying anything until I'm able to test it all out somewhere, even though that HE4XX deal sounds pretty sweet... BTW, I'm upgrading from the ATH M50x which I really love, but I'm trying to search for a budget option that would increase the sound quality significantly. First baby steps in the world of Audiophilia I guess!

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Oct 30, 2019

FirevinceIf I could be honest with you for a moment. I honestly don't feel there is that massive of a difference between almost any priced tier of headphones. In my experience, if they have a relatively neutral frequency response (or one compliant with Harman's Target I should say), and they have low distortion ratings. They all sound pretty good to me. The biggest differences are simply the cavity where your ear is. If it's big, then you might feel some of that "soundstage" stuff people keep talking about. But aside from that, the only difference in headphones that matter to me outside of what I just mentioned, is comfort. The odd treble/mid rage nature of the HE4XX at louder volumes was a bit annoying to me. But mostly the size as I mentioned before. The 58X (I also got the 6XX) suit me perfectly. The 6XX is for another amp I got. In terms of sound, both should be something you hopefully notice a difference enough of to warrant the upgrade.

raansire7

1507

Nov 3, 2019

JJayJJ"The biggest differences are simply the cavity where your ear is. If it's big, then you might feel some of that "soundstage" stuff people keep talking about." First time I read something so deaf and monaural about soundstage...or "soundstage" to you, friend. Soundstage is not dependant of ear cup size. It's not a by-product or an effect, but the individual stereo presentation of a headphone ot speaker design. I'd be sad if I perceived that..."soundstage" stuff people keep talking about as you said...in such a non-eventful way. The soundstage is how far from the head the stereo image projects in relation with the physical position of the ears, and is not unique to headphones. Stereo speakers also need to be precisely positioned to provide the optimal soundstage. Not only the drivers, but DACs and amps also play a part in how big or small the soundstage is presented. As an example, using the HD 58X, their soundstage sounds wider, deeper and less zoomed-in on a Tascam UH-7000 than on an Audient iD14. Same headphones, but totally different stereo presentation. Soundstage is NOT how big or how small the music sounds inside the ear cups, but OUTSIDE THE HEAD.

Nov 3, 2019

raansire7Well naturally you would hear rarely about it in any objectively verifiable sense considering all the lunacy ridden audiophile mythology that pervades most of this hobby. Strictly speaking, soundstage isn't only what I said, the other factors include pinna activation, channel panning, and post-processing effects like reverb/echo, recording types like binaural and such other. Outside of this, there is no "soundstage". The best you can get to is simply "headstage" as in, a conjuration imagined up in your head due to some of the prior factors I mentioned, coincidentally also lining up with placebo and such. There is no such thing as "individual presentation of a headphone to speaker design". Firstly because you outline nothing in what can be changed in terms of said factor to increase or decrease soundstage. Like what would a headphone designer need to do in order to increase or decrease soundstage precisely? If a headphone is "too bright" that can be changed. If a headphone has resonance issues, that too can be fixed, etc... What exactly is "soundstage" in terms of too much or too little in a headphone anyway? There's no scale going by the majority of peoples definitions, and likewise yours as you spoke a lot, and provided very little refutation to my first point, and will have none now that I have presented the full picture since you seemed interested. Soundstage isn't widely understood on how to properly get a sense of it in headphones and IEMs especially. LCD2C's and HD6XX vary, but again, if you want to be able to tell why, you can't simply discount the massive factor I said (that being ear cup cavity dimensions), this is why HD6XX and HD58X and HD660S all sound exactly the same to me in terms of this soundstage nonsense. HD800's as you know have reportedly the best "soundstage" essentially according to most folks. How convenient they also seem to follow my ear cup cavity factor, in which it's one of the biggest. Now you could say it has to do with drivers as you somewhat implied. But I can say everything about sound has to do with the drivers. So your explination offers no predictive capability, nor any expansion about the phenomena. I hope you understand why approaches to descriptions about things like "soundstage" are wholly inadequate from any sane objective standpoint.

raansire7

1507

Nov 3, 2019

JJayJJOK, friend.

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