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Hello Gentlemen. It’s been almost 6 months since my last post on the appropriately horrific DroopInvictuck Quartz chronogarbage collab when I dropped a horological pipebomb and unsubscribed from Droop. Imagine my surprise when I logged into my spam folder today and saw I was still getting emails. Not for new products, but for responses to comments on watches that were offered years ago but still making their sad pathetic rounds on Drop like an aged street walker looking to turn one last trick.
As an an owner of 6 Seiko, 2 orients, and another couple of watches with Seiko movements, let me say they’re great for what they are. The problem is what they are is disposable. I’ve had minor issues with every single one over the years, and it’s not seiko’s fault. You simply get what you pay for. The fact they’re increasing prices but maintaining the same cheap quality control is even sadder.
So what have I been doing these past 6 months? I’ve been avoiding droop and most other grey market bargain bins. I’ve taken the money I would’ve spent on these disposable trinkets and used it to add another real watch to my collection.
Behold, the gentleman sized 40mm 114060 (not the atrociously large, new-money 41mm), a worthy addition alongside my 16622 Yachtmaster.
Stop buying disposable watches. You’ll thank me later. You’re welcome. You’re all welcome.
I appreciate that you took the time to write a completely off topic brag about the way that if you don't buy 5 $300 watches, you'll suddenly save enough money for a 6-8k submariner. Cool story and all. Nice watch too. Just don't see the reason or the meaning.
Look at the watches in the background. There’s a turtle in there - cost the same $300ish as the ones on offer.
Do you own just one Seiko? Most likely not. Seikos are like Pringles, once you pop you can’t stop. So you buy a $300 turtle, and then a samurai. You pick up a monster or a sumo. You grab a quartz model because after all Seiko invented the technology. You see an Orient you like that’s cheap enough so you grab that as well.
Then one day you look at your collection and realize dang, I’ve spent a couple grand on these. They’re good watches, but after having them for a while the honeymoon wears off and you start to see the flaws. The misaligned dual or bezel. A broken clickspring. Movement accuracy that varies wildly. Could you sell them? Sure. Seikos actually do hold their value fairly well. So you might be able to get the same $300 you paid for it. Minus the auction fee (6.5% on chrono24), and the PayPal fees (2%) and the shipping and the insurance. Now you’re taking a loss. Not a big one, but still a loss.
Ah, but you plan on keeping these disposable watches for life. Who cares if you have to replace the movement every 5 or 10 years. It’s only $60 for a 4R series. Plus the cost of your watchmaker. Plus the cost of the gaskets. Where will you get the gaskets? Let me tell you from experience, Seiko will not send out parts to you or your watchmaker. They want you to send the watch in yourself and now you’re looking at an even more expensive service.
So in the end, it’s your money to do with as you please. Some learn from experience, while other are wise enough to learn from the experience of others. My experience, with over 25 disposable watches ranging in price from $30-$800 is that a collection of them is never worth it and no one ever buys just one.
Thanks for your comment and for coming to my TED talk.
Great Ted talk. What you said is 100% true, all I'm saying is that if people could sell their whole collection for face value without losses, it still wouldn't be enough money to buy a sub. And they spent years on building that (let's say I buy a $250 watch every 6 months just for the novelty and the kick of it). In your mind how long would I have to go without one and just save up to buy a rollie? 14 years? Not gonna happen.
BTW I own 1 basic ass seiko (the SNK) and I don't think I'll buy another soon. To steer the convo back to topic I agree that they are not good value anymore - hardlex, shit bracelets, old movements, qc stuff (bezel, etc.), but imo the solution is not rolex. I recommend just one more watch's video about a sea dweller with similar qc issues and terrible value - ar coating, dial paint and shit bezel on a 40k watch. At this point most people are aware that they are 50% marketing and 50% watchmaking.
Not sure where I was going with that. I guess look for good value for money and not just brand recognition?
What a pompous ass. You do you and let everybody else do as they see fit. A couple old stainless Rolexes don't qualify you as an expert on anything except how YOU spend money.
Not very many people can afford to buy Rolex etc. Most of us just buy watches from $200 to $1000, and some not even that. Watch buying to some, including me is sort of a hobby, and you use the watch for a while a bit of a fashion/entertainment, interest thing. But I don't think in this day and age there is much increase in value for the watches the common man would have, I currently have ten watches and I know darn well that I will lose money on each and everyone of them ,even the ones bought at Drop prices.
That’s the point I’m trying to make. Collect watches long enough and you will slide up the cost scale. You’ll go from the $200 Seiko to the $500 Seiko to the $600 microbrand and so on. Even if you purchase them at a good point, it’s difficult to recoup that cost selling online due to seller fees, shipping and insurance.
Cheap watches do have their place though. Invicta let me try out a 40mm sub copy for only $50 so I could wear it and get a feel for the size. I’ve tried a few Chinese specials to gauge either size or how I would like a watch with or without a complication.
If youre new to watches, you’re going to have to spend at least $1,000 to figure out which watches you do and don’t like. Once you hit that mark, though, it’s best to stop and look at the collection to determine what you like, so you can then start saving for the appropriate piece.
Technically, the Yachtmaster is 20 years old and not just stainless steel - the dial and bezel are pure platinum.
As for the no date sub, it’s certainly not old since the papers and warranty are dated for 2020.
And as I’ve said, you’re free to waste your money as you see fit. Stick around watch collecting long enough, and you’ll see how right I am. You’re welcome.
See you project your pompousness by stating "you’re free to waste your money as you see fit." If you weren't a wanna be know it all you would simply say I am free to spend my money as I see fit. You don't know if I collect. You don't know for how long I may have been collecting. So you should assume nothing. You seem a little focused on the monetary value of these watches you seem to collect. The true collector collects what pleases them. Wil my Rolex be worth more than my Citizen Orca in 10 years. Who cares? I didn't buy my Rolex as an investment. And anyone who knows anything about watches understands Rolex is a very high quality watch but they're kind of like bellybuttons. Collect watches that make you happy and you want to wear. Focus a little less on perceived monetary value. And lighten up on the overly condescending tone. There is no need to be a pompous ass. I love to hear people who love watches talk about them but not when they demean others while doing so. Thank you. And you're welcome.
Yes agreed ,that would save a lot of people a lot of money. Unfortunately the use of "Rolex" as the example probably is far too expensive for a lot of the community to relate; but it is an understandable conclusion.