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HispanicPanic
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Aug 9, 2019
I'm surprised this hasn't been asked yet.... but anyone know how this compares against it's schiit equivalent, the bifrost, bifrost multi, or maybe even the Gungir??? I plan on hooking these up to my active emotiva 6s's and sub, fed through a PC as the source. Not sure if there are any better reccomendations for a DAC for this type of setup.... i know these weren't necessarily designed to be used with anything other than headphones, but not sure what else could fit the bill for this type of setup.
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JJayJJ
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Aug 11, 2019
HispanicPanicHow this compares? Simple, this obliterates all of the mentioned ones. If you need proof: Here's the D70: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-the-topping-d70-dac.7694/ And a bunch of Schiit devices: Yggdrasil V1 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurements-and-review-of-schiit-yggdrasil-dac.2358/ Yggdrasil V2 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-yggdrasil-v2-dac.3607/ All three Modi's https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-battle-of-schiit-audio-dacs.5487/ BiFrost https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-bifrost-dac.7206/ BiFrost Multibit https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurement-and-review-of-schiit-bifrost-multibit-dac.2319/ Jotunheim https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-jotunheim-with-ak4490-dac.6431/ Fulla V2 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-xduoo-ta-01-and-schiit-fulla-v2-dac-and-headphone-amp.3105/ Valhalla https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-valhalla-amp.8273/ Lyr 1 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-lyr-tube-headphone-amplifier.2451/ Lyr 2 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-lyr-2-amplifier.8256/ Saga Tube Preamp https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-saga-tube-pre-amp.6520/ Sys https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-sys-passive-pre-amp-switcher.2335/ Mani Phono https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-mani-phono-stage.8052/ Wyrd USB Filter https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-wyrd-usb-filter.5717/ Eiter https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-schiit-eitr-usb-to-s-pdif-bridge.3753/
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mindbender9
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Aug 27, 2019
HispanicPanicI didn’t want to be “that” guy but Amir’s measurements do not translate to “How does it sound?” Google “Delta-Sigma or R-2R” to read up more on what to expect. There’s an Airist (single-ended) DAC being offered that would sound much different than the clinical Topping DACs. And i I doubt anyone here who’s promoting the Topping line has a Gungnir or Yggdrasil DAC or tried one. Schiit’s sound is too warm and punchy when compared to a Topping or IFI DAC. Read up on how all DACs sound, not what reads well on a graph. Because no one would like a tube amp if they saw the distortion that tubes generate (but they sound good). Look up SBAF’s DAC forums for blunt opinions by people who own the equipment (and not by people who have never heard them). Disclaimer: I have an Yggdrasil.
mindbender9
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Aug 27, 2019
HispanicPanicAnd let me add a disclaimer or two: DACs sound different not just because of the chips they use but how the DAC itself is designed. Also, listening is subjective. Having said that, there is no way that a Topping DAC “obliterates” a Schiit DAC. That in itself is an incorrect statement and more of a (misguided) opinion. It would be entirely wrong if I said “I would put my Yggdrasil up against any Topping DAC...bla bla bla...” because both product lines are different beasts and will sound different. Also, much different price ranges. The choice is really up to you. If you’re in Southern CA, Schiit has a listening room where you can audition their products and see for yourself which you’d prefer. Their products might or might not be for you, but that way you’ll know for sure. I hope you find the DAC that works great for you. Just let your ears tell you what you like, not just a graph. Edit: I don’t work for Schiit or consider myself a fanboy. I just like their DACs, and I’m sure there’s better out there, for 2x-3x the price.
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HispanicPanic
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Aug 27, 2019
mindbender9Thanks so much for your input. I've heard this before, but it doesn't get covered enough to really explain it in any detail. It seems my ear tends to favor clarity above all else, so i'm assuming that if something measures well, my ear would favor it. I've done searches on R2R and delta sigma, but it hasn't helped my understanding any on the whole measured dac vs poorly measuring dac and why a "poor" measuring dac would still sound better.
mindbender9
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Aug 28, 2019
HispanicPanicThat tells me that you need to listen to a couple of DACs and determine for yourself what sounds best to you. Despite all of the Schiit-bashing that happens, their sound is preferable to me. But I’ve had to chance to listen to a small number of DACs (both DS and R2R) and I preferred the sound from the Schiit product line. But ultimately, form an opinion based on your listening results and you can explain why you prefer one DAC over another. A BIG mistake is to blindly believe a graph and assume a unit sounds horrible just because you were told that. You can always tell who never listened to a particular DAC by how much they spout numbers and graphs. Someone who has auditioned a product can tell you what they liked or didn’t like about a product. But your listening preferences are what matters most.
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