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S2Ki
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Dec 27, 2019
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Another 'desk GMT' offering. Worthless if you wish to travel with it regularly.
RayF
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Dec 27, 2019
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S2KiDoubting the vast majority of GMT watches are purchased and used solely for that purpose.
People tend to buy watches they like/enjoy, not so much watches they actually need. I mean, really--who actually needs a watch today?
On the other hand, if you really need to know what time it is someplace else, your phone might might be easier for you.
PS: you forgot to complain about the case size, the lower price on someplace-else.com, the Sellita movement and the fact that it doesn't come in rose-god-damn-gold. But don't worry; there's always another watch drop tomorrow.
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MarPabl
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Dec 28, 2019
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S2KiThis one does it all https://www.longines.com/watches/the-longines-master-collection/l2-739-4-71-3
Both desk and true GMT
MarPabl
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Dec 28, 2019
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ED61I got mine (Master Retrograde) for about $2,200.00 USD from an AD 😎 it was really a lucky day. The ⌚ you're talking about sounds like this one https://www.longines.com/watches/the-longines-master-collection/l2-773-4-92-6 but it doesn't have a 2nd time zone.
I got this one instead, for $1,300.00 USD, which has almost the same movement (that's a Valjoux 7751) https://drop.com/buy/82833
MarPabl
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Dec 28, 2019
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ED61When you 💭 carefully about the GMT ⌚ types it makes sense... you have 2️⃣ possible and totally different scenarios:
0️⃣ Before explaining the scenarios, let's assume you live @ 🇨🇭 and in your ⌚ both your 12 hours hand (🏡 time) and your 24 hours hand (GMT time) are synchronized to the same hour (time @ 🇨🇭)
1️⃣ You need to track different timezones while you're @ your 🏡 (or your job) hence the desk name. Let's say you need to organize a virtual/remote meeting with guys living @🇨🇦 In this situation, you wish to quickly adjust only the 24 hours hand (GMT time) so you know the time @🇨🇦 without disturbing the rest of the timing functions (your 🏡 time @ 🇨🇭) Or maybe a 🌎 timer ⌚ is a better option here 🤔
2️⃣ You're traveling to 🇨🇦 in order to physically meet the guys over there. In this scenario, you wish to quickly adjust only the 12 hours hand (🏡 time) so it temporarily becomes your 🆕️🏡 (local) time (you need that the date changes at midnight @ 🇨🇦) However, you also wish to keep track of the time @ 🇨🇭 (where you actually live) so the 24 hours hand (GMT time) must not be disturbed & it keeps showing the time @ 🇨🇭 This functionality is called Pure GMT.
As you can 👁 you may need to adjust some 🖐🏻 (12 hours or 24 hours) depending on your situation.
1️⃣ If you've got a desk GMT but you're going to travel, you must hack your ⌚ to adjust the 12 hours hand (and regrettably minutes)... but by doing so you must also synchronize the whole ⌚ again because the ⌚ is now stopped and it's losing seconds & minutes hand is moving while you're adjusting for the 🆕️ hour. And if the GMT hand is also moving while you're adjusting the 12 hours hand, then you'll have to adjust the GMT hand as well so it matches again your 🏡 time... what a mess.
2️⃣ If you've got a Pure GMT but you wish to quickly know the time @ another timezone, you're similarly screwed unless you've got a rotating bezel & you don't mind having the 24 hours markings all rotated on some weird position.
So that's the reason for 2️⃣ types of GMT ⌚ or you rather get the Longines Master Retrograde and you move any hand (12 hours or 24 hours) without disturbing the timing functions (minutes & seconds) my 📸 here https://drop.com/talk/41123/photos and Longines ℹ here https://www.longines.com/en-us/watch-the-longines-master-collection-l2-739-4-71-3
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MarPabl
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Dec 28, 2019
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RayFLet's agree this 😀🤝🏻 you keep using your 📸 which I always enjoy and I keep using my emojis 😎
S2Ki
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Dec 28, 2019
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ED61Kudos to MarPabl for a thorough explanation. To distill it down, a travel GMT allows the second hand to be set to the local time of your destination with an intermediate pull of the crown without hacking ie stopping the watch. (Sometimes pushers are used too.) The GMT hand meanwhile stays in place to keep your home hour.
A desk GMT requires a full pull of the crown to move the hour hand thus stopping the watch, while an intermediate pull only allows adjustment of the GMT hand.
From my viewpoint whether you use the complication or not is irrelevant. It is the design and execution of the complication that matters. I have nothing against ETA and Sellita, owning several of them, but I don't understand why they won't make a proper (edit: proper IMO) GMT complication.
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S2Ki
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Dec 28, 2019
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S2KiIf I were in the market for a diver GMT I would take a serious look at the Citizen ProMaster GMT ref. BJ7128-59E. Quartz, yes, but it ticks a few boxes: travelling GMT function, EcoDrive, sapphire crystal, water resistant to 20ATM. And, the bezel allows up to 60 minutes of timing, always useful without a bigger spend for a chronograph.
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RayF
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Dec 28, 2019
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S2KiSince I was discussing your narrow OPINION of GMT functionality/suitability, I'd say my comment about your comment was spot on.
Your comment about the watches suitability as a GMT watch suggests all the guys who make them (this or others like it), and those who buy them, must somehow be... mistaken? Uninformed? Incompetent?
It's one thing to say a watch is ugly or that you don't like it, but to suggest an established manufacturer doesn't know what they're doing, requires more substantiation than just your opinion.
MarPabl
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Dec 29, 2019
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RayFThe comment is rather long it's totally justified ✅😃 I'm glad you counted 🙃
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A community member
Dec 30, 2019
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S2KiI am currently travelling with a 'non-pure' GMT. It is really easy to set the hour hand to local time and then reset the GMT hand to home time. Takes less than a minute and then, if you must, you can hack the seconds to set it to your exact time on your phone. That takes less than another minute.
It is really, really easy. This nonsense that you need a 'pure GMT' to move time zones is just pompous shite.
If you really need to know the exact time in two or more zones an electronic timepiece (aka smartphone) is what you want.
MarPabl
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Dec 30, 2019
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Yeah I can also do that with my non GMT ⌚ and have it in another timezone quite fast. Or I can use my diver bezel as another 12 hours marker & I can track 2️⃣ timezones. Or what about my chronograph and have the hours counter to track other timezone simultaneously. Now if the chronograph has a diver bezel as well... Then I've got 3️⃣ timezones.
But that's not the . we're 🗣️ here about the right ⌚ for the job.
While the "desk" GMT can be used as well as my diver, my chronograph or even my simple 3️⃣🖐🏼⌚, it's not the best fit for a ⌚ used for traveling and tracking different timezones.
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mclose
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Dec 30, 2019
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RayFMy daughter & granddaughter live 7 time zones away (except for a couple weeks a year when we go to DS on different dates). We FaceTime everyday and this has gone on long enough that I automatically know what time it is there by looking at my watch in local time. But I do have a GMT that I wear occasionally with a separately adjustable 24 hour register. Do I need it? No. Is it fun? Yes, because at my age small pleasures from mechanical objects count as fun. The watch is also a 1990s Omega in pristine condition, a thing of beauty.
RayF
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Dec 30, 2019
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mcloseI have a GMT too, but no relatives further than two time zones away. I bought mine for pretty much the reasons you gave for why you enjoy your Omega--they're interesting timepieces and we appreciate the mechanics of what's inside--in other words, they're kind of a novelty.
On the other hand, if I was siting here thinking about placing a call Vladimir Putin--just to give him a piece of my mind, I would first say out loud: "Alexa: what the hell damn time is it in Moscow anyway?!"
mclose
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Dec 30, 2019
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RayFFor those of us living in NY who have Vladimir Vladimirovich on speed dial know it’s Tel Aviv +1 hour (total 8). Now it’s important to know that Vlad is a bit of a joker so don’t be surprised if after the call you find yourself being defenestrated out of a 15th story window.
A community member
Dec 31, 2019
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MarPablThat's right. The best tool for the job is not an automatic watch it is an electronic device.
Neither 'pure GMT' or a 'desk GMT' is the 'best fit' for the task of monitoring seversl time zones when travelling.
Automatic watches are an affectation in 2020 so what you are arguing is that one slightly easier tool is better than one other tool but in fact both are faintly ridiculous when it comes to accuracy and ease of use when compared to an electronic device.
This is what makes the 'pure GMT' argument so pompous and supercilious.
S2Ki
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Dec 31, 2019
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Wow, did I start a conversation! My initial comment was a bit inflammatory I'll admit, and of course either type of GMT (or phone) works when traveling. Heck, my $100 G-Shock does it all right from the wrist. This is a nicely done watch, so if it floats your boat then great. There's room enough for all watch lovers here, and thanks to Drop for making them available..👍
S2Ki
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Feb 25, 2020
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RayFRayf,
I think you meant 'advice'? Anyway I didn't ask for your advice so there's that....
To the more reasonable members of the community, my position as previously stated is that if I buy a watch with a complication I want it to function as it should, not with a work-around. It's irrelevant to me how often I use it, or whether I ever use the complication at all.
And finally to those suggesting that I pull out my smart phone to check the local time when travelling, let's take that to it's logical conclusion: we stop wearing a watch and use the phone.
All the Best
Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 25, 2020
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MarPablMarPabl, are you sure about the Longines being a gmt? I know Longines has swapped the newer models with a column wheel vs clutch, but it’s still a Valjoux so wouldn’t it be 24hrs? All the pics seem to indicate so.
A community member
Feb 25, 2020
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S2KiYou wrote that a desk GMT watch was 'worthless' which is a hyperbolic comment.
Many people use a desk GMT for travelling without an issue, so they aren't worthless - you just don't like them.
And you are right about the logical conclusion - a GMT watch is a fairly ridiculous tool for travelling when a quartz digital or electronic device is a better tool for the job. But we don't buy automatic watches for those reasons. To argue that your preferred automatic watch is better than someone else's preferred automatic watch on the grounds of ease of use or technological excellence is a faintly ridiculous argument when neither are as accurate or as easy to use across timezones as an electronic device.
I think this is where many are seeing your position as supercilious.
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MarPabl
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Feb 25, 2020
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WatchyoutalkingaboutYes, this Longines: https://www.longines.com/watches/the-longines-master-collection/l2-739-4-71-3
That one, which I own it, is a super GMT because you can move both the local hour hand (at the center, crown extracted to the first position) and the GMT hand (at the left, using the pusher @ 10) without stopping the timing.
This movement is indeed derived from the Valjoux as well, but it has been converted to a retrograde and also the super GMT movement. There's another column wheel chronograph movement (I own that as well) which is also derived from the Valjoux, but it was converted to the column wheel chronograph you mention.
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Watchyoutalkingabout
Feb 25, 2020
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MarPablAh, yes. I must’ve accidentally clicked on the home page and got taken to a different watch. Nice piece!
Dmaxd0
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Feb 25, 2020
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I world travel and do operational planning in local and Zulu for multiple locations around the globe for work.... with a SKX!!! Would I prefer to have a multi thousand dollar watch on my wrist that made it easier? Obviously. Any gmt functionality is better than none. Easier functionality in adjusting local time without messing up zulu is a win, too. Gonna pay for upgrades. But I can’t stomach the scratches and bangs on an expensive watch.
overall, desk vs true gmt is distinction that is valid and justifies an increase in price.
Does it mean that true operators need true gmt? Nope, just people willing to pay arguablely large sums of money on wrist awesomeness.
MarPabl
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Feb 26, 2020
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Dmaxd0In your case a 🌎 timer may be a better option. This is not expensive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZi5h6t34Q
https://www.orientwatchusa.com/blogs/orient-blog/a-closer-look-at-the-all-new-adventurer-world-time
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