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Hellreaver
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Jun 9, 2017
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Like I said in the falcon drop, if you had held a WE knives knife, you'd realize that Chinese made knives can be just as good as American counterparts for less if they use the same standards.
But, whatever. Don't join because 'muh China'. They've obviously built a very solid reputation in 3 years by doing nothing at all.
Hellreaver
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Jun 9, 2017
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Are you implying that everyone who has bought a bought a we knives knife has used them lightly? Because if so, you're not paying attention.
Or you're saying that we knives is a random Chinese brand with no standards and shit tolerances. Like I said, they've developed a reputation for amazing quality at budget prices very quickly. Again going back to you just assuming the users of the knives know nothing or never use the knives hard.
Saying China can't make a blade is stupid. Anyone can make the same knife provided they follow the same processes to the same degree of accuracy. There's nothing inherently wrong with China. They have other, worse manufacturers. But how's it fair to judge the whole country on them?
America has shoddy knife makers, don't see you saying the whole country is shoddy at making knives.
What is nuance? What is case by case basis?
Hellreaver
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Jun 9, 2017
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The first point doesn't make any sense.
If they were manufacturing the knife they wouldn't ship it to the customer then back to China to do something else with.
The reputation of we knives is for the final product, not something half finished, then they ship it back to China to fuck up some more.
Again, you're implying that every person who's held these knives and used them consistently doesn't know what they're talking about or doesn't use them hard.
Gunmonkey1974
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Jun 10, 2017
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HellreaverStop trying to convert the stupid... you're wasting your time ... you will just end up tired and upset
Hellreaver
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Jun 10, 2017
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If you place an order with we knives, I highly doubt they're going to shift the burden to some other janky manufacturers. But ask them yourself on instagram, they're very responsive.
Gunmonkey1974
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Jun 10, 2017
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Here's some reality for you 90% of the things that you think are American-made machining was done in China and it was assembled here because legally that's still American-made so yes I'm calling you stupid
Joomy
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Jun 11, 2017
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"My girlfriend works for the UN so you should listen to me". Lmao. Mate, you haven't said anything at all of relevance here. Yes China has some shoddy practices, labour conditions and factories. They also have some incredibly high-quality manufacturers (ever heard of Foxconn?). The issue here is not whether any random Chinese product is good or bad. The OP said that WE Knife have a reputation for producing super high-quality knives, something I have also heard over and over again from their customers.
Your "insights" into China's manufacturing practices mean basically nothing in this case. We have no reason to believe that WE Knife are controlled by the Chinese government (in fact that idea is laughable), no reason at all to expect that they will suddenly have a massive drop in quality -- If they do they will lose business, simple as that, same as any other company in any other country. No reason to believe that a very simple product made out of steel and titanium will suddenly stop working.
Until I read about WE Knife owners discovering that their knives fall apart, or somehow stop working properly after hard use, I will continue to believe that they are of excellent quality.
Your "insights" into China's manufacturing practices mean basically nothing in this case. We have no reason to believe that WE Knife are controlled by the Chinese government (in fact that idea is laughable), no reason at all to expect that they will suddenly have a massive drop in quality -- If they do they will lose business, simple as that, same as any other company in any other country. No reason to believe that a very simple product made out of steel and titanium will suddenly stop working.
Until I read about WE Knife owners discovering that their knives fall apart, or somehow stop working properly after hard use, I will continue to believe that they are of excellent quality.
Joomy
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Jun 12, 2017
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Nobody is saying that Chinese manufacturing doesn't have any issues. But that doesn't mean that EVERY Chinese company is cutting corners and being interfered with by the government ALL THE TIME.
There are thousands of Chinese companies for whom it is against their own interest to produce low-quality items. You seem to somehow think that since you've read a few horror stories about manufacturing in China that ALL Chinese manufacturers are somehow rotten, even to the point of acting against their own self interest. When you are making 5 million pencils for Wal Mart, yes, perhaps it pays to cut corners, move production around, etc. in order to make an extra 0.1 cent per unit.
This does not make sense for a boutique knife company whose customers are the pickiest in the world. WE Knife know that any minute drop in quality will be terrible for their business, so they will guard against that at all costs. If they can find a way to cut costs without cutting quality they will do that, and that will be good for everyone.
There are millions of Chinese companies, many of which are dodgy and many of which are reliable. It is entirely possible to build a strong long-term mutually beneficial relationship between a Western company and a Chinese one, as evidenced by the tens of thousands of Western companies who get high-quality products made in China every day. To read a few papers, consider yourself informed and then decide that ALL Chinese manufacturers are untrustworthy is just... not rational.
There are thousands of Chinese companies for whom it is against their own interest to produce low-quality items. You seem to somehow think that since you've read a few horror stories about manufacturing in China that ALL Chinese manufacturers are somehow rotten, even to the point of acting against their own self interest. When you are making 5 million pencils for Wal Mart, yes, perhaps it pays to cut corners, move production around, etc. in order to make an extra 0.1 cent per unit.
This does not make sense for a boutique knife company whose customers are the pickiest in the world. WE Knife know that any minute drop in quality will be terrible for their business, so they will guard against that at all costs. If they can find a way to cut costs without cutting quality they will do that, and that will be good for everyone.
There are millions of Chinese companies, many of which are dodgy and many of which are reliable. It is entirely possible to build a strong long-term mutually beneficial relationship between a Western company and a Chinese one, as evidenced by the tens of thousands of Western companies who get high-quality products made in China every day. To read a few papers, consider yourself informed and then decide that ALL Chinese manufacturers are untrustworthy is just... not rational.
Gunmonkey1974
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Jun 12, 2017
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Ummm I spend about 3 evenings if not more a week at Ferrum Forge... I don't need to do research on WE knives ... I was there when Elliot did...
Joomy
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Jun 12, 2017
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I mean you do have a point that I would not feel comfortable buying climbing equipment from an unknown Chinese brand. But again, as has been pointed out, WE are not some random unknown Chinese manufacturer. They are in fact very transparent and you can visit their factory. Also a knife is not as critical a piece of equipment as a rope or carabiner. If your rope breaks you will die, if your knife breaks it's an inconvenience which maybe could result in harm in extremely rare circumstances.
Also I think my point still stands that knives have far less room for "hidden" defects. You can basically see whether a knife is well made or not, the same cannot be said of an aluminium carabiner or climbing rope.
Also I think my point still stands that knives have far less room for "hidden" defects. You can basically see whether a knife is well made or not, the same cannot be said of an aluminium carabiner or climbing rope.
MikeyBonsai
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Jun 13, 2017
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This is a valid argument and something any consumer should take into consideration when buying Foreign made products. Not to say that a specific manufacture like "WE Knives" isn't capable of producing high quality steel under exacting standards, but the nature of how we do business with China, it really can be a toss up. You as an American consumer have to rely on an "Ambassador" for the product your buying's word that the factory, the people, equipment...etc. is the same as it was 2 years ago.
In respect to Hellreaver, WE knives is a very established brand and quality control has been proven inside of the community for a good while now. But i think you should be more receptive to someones opinion and take it into consideration when what they have to say genuinely has some merit. China has built their entire economy around the process similar to those mentioned by starter.
DeathValleyCow
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Jun 15, 2017
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MikeyBonsaiI think the main issue was the way the argument was voiced. It seemed like he was implying this is going to happen right now they're going to screw us all and someone's going to end up dead. The way the argument was written was in a fashion that was too heated to be a more constructive conversation to sway someones opinions. It read like someone trying to attack the other person in a very aggressive tone. It's a knife company guys. Just take a chill pill. There's issues in China with manufacturing sometimes. This is always going to be a given. It doesn't mean that everything is going to be bad especially if it's a reputable company. And yes. It could eventually degrade in quality. But that's like saying I have to not buy food at a grocery store because they might change the way they grow stuff and I'll get sick even if the company was reputable.
DeathValleyCow
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Jun 15, 2017
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I agree to a point but it turned into a pissing match either way. They kinda poured fuel on the fire but there was definitely already a small fire. Everything could've been worded better being honest, both sides.
Hellreaver
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Jun 15, 2017
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"I'm stupid? You're apparently such a fucking fanboy that when someone points out the realities of Chinese manufacturing, as published by UN fact finders, you get bent out of shape"
-you, not getting heated
DeathValleyCow
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Jun 16, 2017
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That's definitely an interesting way to read someones writing lmao.
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