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M1060c non-mod vs Mod House MKII Argon

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Mar 15, 2019

Look some of my pictures and discussion under my personal profile. I was exactly in the same situation modding T50 and Argon Mk3 And Have found solution just few days ago. It is......................... Massdrop Mr Speakers Ether CX This is a culmination of all together what I have tied to achieve in T50 mod. Yes. I have both 1060C and Argon Mk3

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Mar 18, 2019

kimdeug@kimdeug Yeah, too late, Ryan already has my cans and $$.. One thing I do not like Massdrop is all sales are final. You better be 100% sure be you hit the join drop button. And those CXs are $1000 headphones. which is out of my price range. Plus I do not have the necessary gear to recognize its full potential. I have read into the Argons too much to be indecisive. And the T60RP sounded pretty damn good. I want to hear what this Legendary Mod is all about. May be if I read enough raving reviews for the Ether CXs, I will consider trying a pair from Amazon.

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Mar 18, 2019

SunkizCool. Ryan is doing incredibly good job with so much attention to details, which you will never realize until you start to do modding by yourself. I prefer T60 (as have both). But if you swap the pads from T60 to Argon Mk3, Argon will shine too. The closest I have found is Dekony pads for Fostex 900. So, all my cans: (T50 my mod, Argon MK3 also slightly modded by me, and T60) have now Dekony pads. Tried Sure 1540 pads, suggested by Zeos, don't like it. Tried different pads ( have around 100 different pairs) the best for my ears is Dekony for Fostex 900 series. Argon brings a lot of Bass, but in exchange to trebles and details. Very good job done by Ryan to control the lows with dampening and distortion's elimination. Bass is very jucy/reach, but little bit too much for me. So, I have modded Ryan's mod. To bring more details in highs without loosing Rayn's goodies. Regards, Kim

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Mar 18, 2019

kimdeugyeah, I am waiting for my first Argon mod for my T50RP MKII to hear how it sounds. I will provide feedback to Ryan so he can mod my T20RP MKII accordingly. My biggest concern is what I should use to drive these headphones. The T50RP will have the Argon mod with lambskin pads and single ended terminals. I will see if my current amp can drive them to the level I need. If not I will have him mod my T20RP with balanced termination and may try the protein pads. My T20RP is for Gaming (sound stage and imaging focus), while the T50RP is my daily driver for listening to music. (fun sound signature) My current dailies are HD 58x and my T60RP, I also got a set of AR A10 IEM to use with my low pwr amps (Origen G2, Topping N4X, and SMSl sd793ii).

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Mar 18, 2019

SunkizWhatever can drive your T60, will do to T50 and T20 IMHO For Gaming AKG7XX will be the better choice. I suggest to use protein pads for T50, dont know how they are on T20. But protein pads are good for musicality.

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Mar 18, 2019

kimdeugThanks for your reply. I can run the T60 with my SMSL, just enough for it to play near normal listening level. I am sure the T60 and the MKII Argon can take a lot more power. But the SMSL started to clip at 2 O Clock. however Its perfect for my HD 86x as they are much easier to drive. As for Pads, I am getting a set of Lambskin and Protein so I can swap them to suit my needs. With what you said, what are the Lambskin Pads good for? FYI: Ryan recommended Protein for MKIII Argon and Lambskin for MK IIs base mod.

Mar 19, 2019

SunkizRyan is correct. More stiffer the pads the bigger distance between driver and your ears. As result less mids and more trebles and bass. Treble depends of adsorbing/reflecting ear pads materials. The bass here is secondary and more in resonance phase due to reflection from the internal surface of ear pads. What is Ryan doing is eliminating secondary / rebounded bass to avoid distortion.

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Apr 27, 2019

kimdeugHow do we get mod house agron mk 3 ? IS there another way since we dont live in US !

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Apr 27, 2019

nick_tHi. I am from New Zealand. And only one way to order Argon is directly from Ryan/Modhouse. Regards, Kim

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Apr 27, 2019

kimdeugYes how ? He dont replied to my email ? Because from what I heard we need to sent our stock form to him to mod. Is it possible I can order and purchase right away ?

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Apr 27, 2019

nick_tYaa. I have ordered everything from him. Fostex T50, deerskin strap, ZMF pleather earpads, mod, and balanced connector.

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tHe can only stock the mk3 now. Mk2 has been discontinued for quite a while.

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugWhy pleather pads ? WHat sound are you trying to achieve ? Is deer skin more comfortable on the head ? Why balanced connector ?

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Apr 28, 2019

SunkizWhat is the difference between mk3 and mk2 in terms of sound ? Will there ever be mk4 ?

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Apr 28, 2019

SunkizTr60P is the best mod of the Tr50P which way better clarity, nuetral resolution with narrow soundstage. Modmouse agron mk3 are not tr50p from what I heard with tremendous amount of low end spectrum with wide soundstage. More bass quantity !

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Apr 28, 2019

SunkizI thought T20RP is for Open for 'Deep Bass' low end spectrum but not so good sounstage. So why is it good for sounstage and imaging. How are you planning to mod T20RPMK II , just curious, there is no right and wrong. Also, Why do for lambskin and single ended terminals ? What is the difference in single and balance especially in sound quality !

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tZMF protein Leather pads was recommended by Ryan - as the best sounding result, For sheepskin pads, he will tune headphone a little bit different. Deer skin is more softer than alkantara strip, and not slippery from the bold head:)) Balanced connector allows to deliver more power which this headphone required to drive. Regards, Kim

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugIs there any aftermarket to have single ended to balance at the same time? Because not all of our amp/dac combo has XLR 4 pin balance connector or vice versa ? What are your advice ? Because the mk3 modhouse will be my first heavy bass and low end headphone

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tI like T-60. In Argon MK3 bass is too much for me. Have modified the Argon. Have opened bass ports (triangular holes, and have swapped earpads to Dekony Fostex 900 perforated sheepskin). And also like Dekony Fostex 900 pads, so replaced all my T50, T60, Argon Mk3 to Dekony pads.

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugWhat is your reasoning for such modification? What are you trying to achieve, what sound ?

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_ttoo much to write. Please look my other posts

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugSure thing ! Is there any aftermarket to have single ended to balance at the same time? Because not all of our amp/dac combo has XLR 4 pin balance connector or vice versa ? What are your advice ? Because the mk3 modhouse will be my first heavy bass and low end headphone

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tConnector mod allows to use single ended 3.5 mm and 4 pole balanced 3.5mm connector at the same time. T60 is already have manufactured in this way.

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugCan you sent me the photo if you have one ? Also, how do you describe the T60, is this the best sounding nuetral sound youve heard ?

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tOk. Most of my pictures i have mentioned under links above. But this is especially for you just have made now. From left: Argon mk3, T60, My mod T50. All with Dekony Fostex 900 pads. Regards. Kim

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugI was referring to the balance cable that connects to your Fostex Mod house Agron. But thanks anyway !

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tGot it. Look the website for Fostex T60 cable. It is easy: Inside the headphone the 3.5mm 4 pole female connector has wired as balanced. Which allows to use 4 pole (3.5mm, 2.5mm, 4 pinXLR) to 3.5 mm 4 pole cable. At the same time you can use normal 3.5 mm 3 pole cable on both side for non balanced output. But you CAN NOT use balanced output to 3 pole connector, other wise you will burn your amplifier. On Fostex t60. There is a 3.5 mm 4 pole cable on one side and 3.5 mm 3 pole on another side,. 4 pole side goes to the headphone. Regards, Kim

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Apr 28, 2019

kimdeugNoted, what about the ModHouse Agron MKIII?

Apr 28, 2019

nick_tThis guy is doing better than me :)) Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAw7i1VBEs

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Apr 28, 2019

nick_tFirst of all. If you send any RP to Ryan, the results are the same, because the T50, T20, or T40 use the same driver, same enclosure. The only different is the case dampening. close back, semi opening and open loading. Ryan started his fame with MKII and thats the reason I select the MKII for my project. He can mod MK 3 as well, but it costs more. It takes more work to revert the MKIII drivers to the MKii's sound signature, then apply the MKii mod to achieve the Argon sound. With that said, the only variables are Pads and termination. If you want more natural sound, go with a breathable softer pad (less bass, less high but detail Mids). if you want more fun sound, go with denser, leak proof pads, (more bass and highs) but reduce mid range). With denser open pads, more sound stage, softer closed pad, more focus. as for SE or balance, I pick SE because I own a pair of T60RP and Acoustic Research AR-E10 IEM for my balanced application. They came balanced wiring. The Argon require at least 1/2 watt to bring out all the details. for critical listening, balance is the way to go. if you just want fun daily driver, SE will suffice. I am new to the HiFi headphone scene, so my assessment can be objective, please correct me if I am wrong.

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Apr 29, 2019

SunkizNo I agree. But thanks for the explanation. So the best is always balance connecion ?

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Apr 29, 2019

nick_tdepends on your application, if you want the most out of your headphone? yes, Balanced all the way. Balanced DAC and Balanced amp can cost over $1,000. I would spend that $ on a better set of headphone instead.

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Apr 29, 2019

SunkizWhat about future proofing ? Because currently my amp/dac combo support single ended unless there are currently third party option for XLR balance connector ? Because I want to go balanced.

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Apr 29, 2019

nick_tTHX AAA 789 end game for amps. (unless you want the tube sound). You need a balanced DAC.

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Apr 29, 2019

SunkizPlanning to get that amp but it goes out of stock everytime when a person tries to click drop. Anyway why THX 789 AAA ? Is there such thing as balance amp ? Are there third party connection from balance to single ended connection for your headphone. Because to temporary accommodate my amp/dac for single ended first at the moment.

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Apr 29, 2019

kimdeugIs the TRp60 your best nuetral and clear sounding cans you own ?

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Apr 29, 2019

nick_tI hear you, and when they came back it was $50 more for 10 minutes, I dont think it was right for MD to jack the price and limit drops, but they can do what ever they want as its supply and demand. I will only get it for under $350. The THX 789 AAA came with Balanced (XLR) and 2 SE headphone outs (1/4" and 3.5 mm). Most Balanced amp come with the SE option however.

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Apr 29, 2019

nick_tThe ThX 789 AAA has the lowest noise floor than any other amps offered by MD. and the power is adequate for Argon.

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Apr 30, 2019

nick_tThe extra $50 is the expectation date to be release so extra working shift is probably the main factor here. Can I connect the balanced XLR dac to the THX 789AAA ?

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Mohannad13

Jul 5, 2019

kimdeugwhich one sounds better the m1060c or the argons ?? did you tried to open the m1060c ? thanks

Jul 5, 2019

Mohannad13Hi. My Argon MK3 is fully re modefied. It was too bassy for me. Had opened the return Bass ports and had swaped earpads for Dekony Fostex TH 900 series. Be more precise it sounds more like Mister Speakers CX (Drop version) now. At the same time 1060C has a greater potential, as the driver is bigger and more advanced. I did not open it yet, as I need the closedback headphone. Only have changed the headband from retro Pioneer headphone. In my opinion the 1060c is more superior headphone, but it is going to be depend of your preference, because Argon is very well tuned piece of art, especially for Bass lovers. I have bought Argon for purpouse to learn what trick Ryan was doing to made sound like Argon, as was doing the mod of my T50 too. Actually, most of my headphones are modded (it is my hobby). Regards, Kim

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